Sunday, June 12, 2011

Freemasonry, Astrology, and the Washington D.C. Street Plan (Part 2)

The Masons are very familiar with astrology, astronomy and astrotheology. They align all important commemorations, dedications, declarations, ground-breakings, grand-openings, and other events to coincide with astrological phenomena.

“In the years following the Revolution, the Masonic fraternities held ceremonial layings for such new enterprises as bridges, locks, universities, government buildings, statehouses, memorials, and even churches. Such buildings were aligned with the stars, and with the spiritual beings who ruled the stars … Although a survey of the foundation charts used in the early phase of the building of Washington, D.C. reveals the importance of astrology, and, indeed, confirms beyond doubt that astrology played an important role in the early Masonic rites, the rationale of astrology was rarely discussed openly, even in Masonic documents. Knowledge of the stars - insofar as they were understood in Masonic circles - was preserved as secrets best left to those with specialist knowledge of such things.” -David Ovason, “Secret Architecture of our Nation’s Capital” (124)

August 7, 1880 at precisely 10:59am the cornerstone of the Washington Monument obelisk was laid just as the Sun passed over Sirius. The day the foundation stone for the White House was laid, around noon the Moon entered the same 23rd degree of Virgo as the Dragon’s Head node. On the morning of September 18th, 1793, the Sun was also passing through this degree of Virgo when the Capitol building was founded. When the Library of Congress was founded the Sun and Saturn were in conjunction in Virgo. And when the Scottish Rite Freemason “House of the Temple” cornerstone was laid on October 18th, 1911, the Moon and Venus were conjunct in Virgo.

“The chances of the correspondence being mere coincidence are so remote that we must assume that whoever was directing the planning of Washington, D.C., not only had a considerable knowledge of astrology, but had a vested interest in emphasizing the role of the sign Virgo … Time and time again we shall see that a knowledge of the stars played an important part in every stage of the creative phases in the construction of the city.” -David Ovason, “Secret Architecture of our Nation’s Capital” (65-6)

The White House, Capitol building, and Washington Monument form the “Federal Triangle” which mirrors on the ground, Arcturus, Spica, and Regulus in the sky – three stars that bracket Virgo. In Washington D.C. there are 22 full zodiacs secreted into the architecture, most of them highlighting Virgo. This is the highest concentration of zodiacal art/symbology in the world, compared with only 4 in London for example.

“On evenings from August 10th to the 15th, as the Sun sets over Pennsylvania Avenue, the Constellation Virgo appears in the sky above the White House and the Federal Triangle. At that same moment, the setting Sun appears precisely above the apex of a stone pyramid in the Old Post Office tower, which is just wide enough to occlude the solar disc. According to the 19th century Freemason, Ross Parsons, ‘The Assumption of the Virgin Mary is fixed on the 15th of August, because at that time the Sun is so entirely in the constellation of Virgo that the stars of which it is composed are rendered invisible in the bright effulgency of his rays.’” -David Ovason, “Secret Architecture of our Nation’s Capital”

“Man has always felt the need to dominate and nowhere and at no time is the desire more prevalent than in this modern era. If it were not so, why all the need for secret societies? If we are ruled by an open system run by democratically elected officials, why the need for a secret Masonic order in every village, town and city across the United States? How is it that Freemasonry can operate so openly and yet keep its secrets so well hidden?” -John Coleman, “Conspirators Hierarchy”



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60 comments:

Anonymous said...

Holy horse crap Batman! Where do you people get this stuff? Please tell me they have medications in Thailand that will help your delusions.

Anonymous said...

To Anonymous: Eric May not be 100 % right on everything. BUT !!!! He is so right on with most of this stuff. He is just letting us now what's really going on. If you want to put your head in the sand and think none of this is going on then go ahead. The rest of us that look for his postings that come out we like reading his findings Keep up the great work Eric... RON

Anonymous said...

RON,
These theories are bunk and 99% or the rest of us know it. It must be great to take several unrelated items and tie them together in a "connect the dots" fashion and come out with outrageous claims. Many a more intelligent scholar has researched these subjects and Eric is not one of them. Unfortunately the Internet makes the publishing of this tripe possible. More disconcerting is that it seems to reach the literary bottom feeders even faster. Sir if anyone's head is in the sand or cesspool (better analogy) it is this blogger and anyone who subscribes to the rubbish vomited onto the Internet via this blog.

Anonymous said...

You have the right to your opinion and Eric has the right to his. And we as the Pubic can see through the shit of the New World Order. Maybe your the one with your head in the sand. We all have a free will to go down the path of truth as we see it. Keep up the good work Eric. This guy posting is either a Mansion or someone who thinks he's in on this New World Order. ... Just my thought for the day RON

Anadæ Effro said...

The funniest (or funnest, for that matter) aspect of the preceding four comments is that they're all anonymously authored by "Anonymous", lending an aspect that it is a bipolar personality disordered individual with a schizo-affective baseleine who is writing them! LOL!

Be that as it may, Eric, you're doing superlative work. Nice public domain editorial illustration there, but have you never heard of the "missing" thirteenth sign of the zodiac before?

It is Ophiuchus, the Snake-handler, under whose influence we shall be moving in 2012. Also, have you not seen the official website for registered nurse & authoress EJ Clark & her collaborator, Dr. Brooks Alexander Agnew, renewable green energy proponent? Go here:

http://arkofmillionsofyears.com

Their take on the whole 2012 scenario. Dr. Agnew also plans an oceanic voyage into the polar opening to the Hollow Earth. Finally!

All the very best wishes, Eric,
Anadæ Effro ( :-)}

Tao said...

I like Anon he has written many great poems, fine quotes and painted fine pictures. I always look out for the work of Anon as he is so prolific, varied, often talented and seems to have lived for many generations.

Eric Dubay said...

Nice take on Anonymous, Tao ;-) Thanks for the kind words, Ron. And Anadae, got any more info on the 13th Zodiac sign? Heard of it before, but never researched it, thanks
~Eric

jude cowell said...

The 13th sign of the zodiac, so i've heard, is Ophiuchus, related to the serpent or serpent holder (one who heals or needs healing.)

Of course, in the hands of those with dark motives it's meaning can become more sinister.

In her excellent book, Fixed Stars, Bernadette Brady says the stars of Ophiuchus are now broken up into 3 constelaltions: Ophiuchus, Caput Serpens, and Cauda Serpens - and that it's larger than the constellation Scorpio.

The Greeks knew it as Serpentarius the Healer who was also the god Asclepius, son of Apollo (the sun god), who learned the healing arts from Chiron. The serpent myth is associated with Jason and the Argonauts, if that helps any (Medusa, etc.)

Later on, under the influence of Christianity, the constellation became Saint Paul w the *Maltese viper, Moses (holding up the blazing serpent in the wilderness), and w St. Benedict standing amongst the thorns.

In astrology Ophiuchus represents wisdom, rebirth, rejuvenation, prudence, medicine and drugs.

Just found your blog. i like it!

Jude

*this may relate to the Knights of Malta. jc

Druv said...

The big question you should be asking is where did the knowledge of Astrology, and the symbols these "Freemasons" are using to gain more power, begin?

The history of astrology is divided into 3 categories - western, Indian and Chinese.

China got the knowledge of the 5 elements, astrology, vastu etc through the Buddhist who went onto china to spread the teachings of Buddha. ( Buddha was a Indian prince "Siddhartha").

In India, Astrology was the part of the vedas - which is the part of the ancient vedic civilization of Sanatan Dharma. Which were written in Sanskrit.

The western astrology leads us back to Greece, and i have said it before..Greece has trade relations with India. Many ancient Greeks used to study at the ancient Nalanda university which was destroyed by the Muslim invasion.

I think its more than clear where the source lies, the original information would be the most correct, rest is a warped echo created by ignorance.

Those who try to use such knowledge for evil, can never truly tap into its true potential. and they "will" be destroyed by their own dark intentions.

Druv said...

The hand signs are a part of Yoga!

They are called Hasta mudra.

They are also part of traditional dance of "Bharat" called Bharatnatyam ( the dance of bharat).

Every thing in the ancient vedic civilization is pointed towards God.

Eric Dubay said...

India certainly does seem to be the cradle of ancient civilization. The evidence you've provided here and on the forum is quite convincing. Keep up the good work exposing this stuff.

Druv said...

We are all the same people, originated from the same source. Separated by time and space.

We are the same soul - either living or non living = Brahman.

With what you have shown me through your blogs filled up the missing pieces i was looking for, hence i am just returning the favor.

Druv is not my real name, yet i chose it to represent the real me. It means the "North Star" in Sanskrit. The unwavering star that always shows people the right path home. My purpose is the same.

Anonymous said...

Is it me, or does anyone notice that superfine guys are born in the Aquarius-Pisces timeframe???

;)

Druv said...

hmmmm i am straight guy so i cant tell :P

Anonymous said...

Druv said:
The history of astrology is divided into 3 categories - western, Indian and Chinese.

The history has always been the most controlled and manipulated subject. The time, locations of the most important historic events are almost always given correctly, but not always the reasons behind those events which is much more important. If you read history it is full of different empires arising from nowhere and disappearing too quickly. We always rely on the name of the nations, that's the reason it is so easy to manipulate history, as a result US. I have read somewhere you can not always trust the museums items which serve as the physical evidence of history. Some of them are made just before the museums opened! Some serious reading on history:
http://overlordsofchaos.com/html/
problem_of_history.html

I have read a lot, and have come to conclusion that most of the "great" civilizations have the common source of people who just migrated mainly from east to west. The jws who control most of the world know that they originated from east:
http://www.lust-for-life.org/Lust-For-Life/TracingOurAncestors/
TracingOurAncestors.pdf

Most written history we read is mostly concerned about the kings, emperors etc, not about the lives of ordinary people. In most of the great empires including the Indian were built with enormous human sacrifice of ordinary people who lived there. So-called great warriors-emperors may never have fought in an open battle, still they took the credit for the wins. The same thing applies to the kings, emperors who have never worked in their lives, but still became famous for "building" great architectural works like castles, temples etc, even though all the money which was spent on them came from the pockets of hard-working people.

So, your inclination of connecting everything which is great to India and Buddhism has two inherent flaws. You seem to think that:
1) Indian civilization was created by the Indians who STILL live there;
2) The ordinary people benefited from Indian empires of the past and its civilization in general including its religion.

The first point needs very thorough researching the Indian history from independent sources - I can't prove it to you here.

Most of the people who currently live in India would not be so poor even now in the XXI century if your second assumption was true.

Don't get me wrong I know very well that India has always had very important place in the history of humanity. For example, the British empire made many other empires they had influence fight wars against Russia just to keep Russia away from India! But it doesn't automatically mean that all the beliefs systems of India served the majority of its people well. I rather think they more served the kings and brahmans alike...

What is your take on this?

Eric Dubay said...

Excellent counter-points Anonymous, I'm enjoying the enlightening discussion. Peace

Anonymous said...

@druv,

what's your take on ETs:

http://www.whale.to/b/casbolt_b.html

http://www.whale.to/c/who_are_the_draconians.html

ARE THEY REAL?

Druv said...

Firstly you have to tell me which museums you are talking about.

Eg, if u see the British museums, 95 % of all artifacts are not from their civilization. Have you visited any Indian museums in India?

The new museums you are talking about, which country are you talking about?

I have said before, we are all same people and we come from the same source.

India has been under 1000 years of foreign destruction, first by the Muslim invasion, then the infamous British east India company. Ah ya, but there had been many more attacks before from the Greeks -Alexander etc.

Civilizations are nothing but waves, they form and they dissipate but the core civilization would last the longest as it was the first but fate as we have it, the original wave will also dissipate.

Because of the cycle of rebirth, it will return again.

the word "India" comes from the word "Indus" which was the name given to the river Saraswati by the Greeks. It is the same river where the ancient "Nalanda university existed" which is present day Pakistan.

"Bharat" is the original name of India. The destruction of this civilization began 5000 years ago, and i doubt you know 5000 years of Indian history, and what lies before the 5000 Years barrier.

For the last 1000 years, India was under complete destruction from foreign attacks. Only fragments of the past remain.

How many Emperors of the "Vedic civilzation" do you know about before saying that those kings only lived for themselves?

Yes, there is an inherent evil of the ego which eventually takes over the heart as pride. But i doubt you know about the Ancient history of "Bharat", not India.

And i cant give you a history lesson of 5000 years and beyond in a comment.

Please make your questions more specific so i can give specific answers.

Druv said...

The belief system you are talking about, that seemed to you served the brahims and kings, what belief system are you talking about? be more specific? and before that i would like to know who i am talking to As well as where you hail from,

"Anon" isn't good enough for a conversation starter.

Druv said...

Btw, If ET's are real, they only seem to land in the USA. Its getting old, and cliche's put me to sleep.

I do like Alien movies tho.

There are multiple theories floating around, that they ( Us army) uses the stories to hide their true agenda, creating weapons and using the stories to keep people away etc.

Or it could just be a big hype, to make people believe that some thing is there, Which is not and make money off it.

until people get hard evidence, i can say nothing.

Don't take it as an offense, but that is my take on it.

Druv said...

And the links your showed me, is from London.

Brits are the biggest manipulators of history!

They used Max Muller to warp thousands of years of history of India, in cohorts with the Vatican.

Though the ancient druid artifacts that were found, were found in yogic postures. So ya, the echo originates from the source.

if that is true, the Brits destroyed their own people. How pathetic that would be?

Druv said...

Read the link:

http://www.hymla.com/index.php?/Readings/were-the-druids-yogis.html

Druv said...

The artifact shows padma-asana and the swastika!

Lmao! i make this look easy.

Druv said...

Anon - your comment about Brits keeping away Russia is bullshit. India has been friends with the USSR during the cold war.

Besides look up the ancient Aryan site in Russia, which as the swastika. which shows their origin.

Look beyond what you "believe" is history. Its time you get to "know" the truth and not leave it to a matter of "belief".

Druv said...

The british east india company was not here to do charity in India, It was made to loot, plunder, warp history and psychologically dominate its culture so they can sell their factory made goods in India. They made opium in India, which the sold in china and made opium addicts out of them. Even today people have the social programming left by the brits, that stuff made in India is bad, and importing is Good.

Opium products leaves the land barren, great famine struck India after forced plantations of Opium. Which lead to deaths of over a hundred thousands people who died due to hunger alone.

Tea was NOT grown in India, which was forced by the brits in Assam, which is the best producer of Tea in the world.

British Queen bee allowed the rothschilds to take over the birtish east india company, which gave them the shitloads of power they have today.

So dont try to make them look like the saints, i can see through their dark black hearts.

The unenlightened will not win, they will fall and i will never stop till they do.

Druv said...

The british East india company + rothschild + the 13 families + ilumanati+ freemasons + vatican + star of david, they are all connected and the common factor between them is us, the people of Sanatan dharma.

The hand signs, the obelisk and all that bullshit they are trying to horde to gain power is useless , they can never achieve real power as they don't understand its true significance and their purpose is pure greed.

Druv said...

People of the sanatan dharma, were like sheep, calm and peaceful. An enlightened race which believed in non-violence.

Why do we put "tilak" on our foreheads? it is the proof that we are the enlightened. The middle of the forehead represents the third eye, which comes from the knowledge of Yoga and God Shiva.

First we were destroyed by the muslims, who destroyed many temples and created mosques over them. They had "haram" where they use to take kidnapped women and turned them into prostitutes. The concept of "Haram" comes from them.

The we were taken over and destroyed by the brits, and they didn't just loot and steal. They tried to erase us from existence.

no more, we r not going out without a fight.

Druv said...

If Celtics/ druids were in fact have yogic/vedic origins....

Did Brits originate from Druids???

I have a hard time accepting that our enemy originated from us???

i suppose it could be true, the people of vedic civilization always said that there would come a time when people will forget their origin and it would be dark reign of ignorance.

time makes us forget the truth.

Then it is true what i said before... that we are nothing but waves... and the echo originates from the source....

Druv said...

This is a matter to be looked into:

The druids were taken over by the "Romans" and hence their ancient practices declined and disappeared.

and they were Christianised in the middle ages.

The story sounds the same, yet again!

A peaceful race taken over by a hostile one.

The dark story of destruction keeps repeating.

Druv said...

the same hostility that existed in the hostile version of romans, entered the hearts of druids and hence they also transformed.


Just like Hindu people transformed into Sikh people, when Muslims attacked India from Sir-e-hind. Sikh people were made to kill Muslims because Hindu people were too peaceful and not equipped to handle such hostility.

I finally see the transformation done by darkness.

Anonymous said...

Druv said:
Firstly you have to tell me which museums you are talking about.

I am not here to find you a museum with fake artefacts - you can find it yourself if you really want it. I am just implying that what really happened may be much different from what we read in history books. The museums serve to prove the history part of which may be false.

Civilizations are nothing but waves, they form and they dissipate but the core civilization would last the longest as it was the first but fate as we have it, the original wave will also dissipate.

You seem to love the word wave ;-) I think you still implying to ancient Indian civilization as the “core”. You have full right to your own opinions. But how can your 5000-year-old civilization last longer? Nothing last longer, but the natural instincts of a new-born baby, which are pure and without any evil. Any belief system which is against the natural instinct of a new-born baby is ultimately wrong. I’m not kidding here...

For the last 1000 years, India was under complete destruction from foreign attacks. Only fragments of the past remain.
Because of the cycle of rebirth, it will return again.

I know well enough that Indian people just like majority of the people on the earth struggled throughout history. But I don’t believe you are born again and again. This false concept may be another tool for the people who are being exploited to keep silent and live their lives without any struggle for freedom hoping that in their “the next” lives they may be born the upper class. It may be one of the reasons why one Indian peasant is committing suicide in every 30 minutes rather than fight for freedom till they die...

And the links your showed me, is from London.

What does it prove? That I am defending those bloody Brits who committed so much atrocity in India? I think you have a problem with making logical conclusions.

if that is true, the Brits destroyed their own people. How pathetic that would be?

You are again implying that every Indian suffered from the Brits. No, people suffered depending on their class, caste. The US has been destroying themselves for some time, does it mean every one of them is suffering? No.

Anon - your comment about Brits keeping away Russia is bullshit. India has been friends with the USSR during the cold war.

I was actually referring to earlier periods, but the importance of India to Britain has not changed since then either. For your “enlightenment” find and read: Hassnain, F.M. British policy towards Kashmir 1846-1921 New Delhi: Sterling Publishers, 1974.

Besides look up the ancient Aryan site in Russia, which as the swastika. which shows their origin.

I never said Russia has always been opponent of Britain & Co. They also suffered much throughout their history. But there have been times it was free and was real danger to British assets in Asia, most importantly India.


The british East india company + rothschild + the 13 families + ilumanati+ freemasons + vatican + star of david, they are all connected and the common factor between them is us, the people of Sanatan dharma.
People of the sanatan dharma, were like sheep, calm and peaceful. An enlightened race which believed in non-violence.

You really need to learn how logic works. Without it, you keep on asking questions without any purpose. If you are just trying to prove me wrong, find someone else to waste their time.

Anonymous said...

Why do we put "tilak" on our foreheads? it is the proof that we are the enlightened. The middle of the forehead represents the third eye, which comes from the knowledge of Yoga and God Shiva.

Problem with logic again... Anyway, I stopped myself yesterday from saying that what I think of Buddhism. You are making me do so today. Buddhism is another created religion, which is from start to finish idolatrous. Shiva was nothing more than man. There are many other example of this kind of idolatry in Eric’s recent post about religious conspiracy.

You want your and our third eye to be opened and be available to us. That’s exactly what the people who are against the real God want! It has been attempted before, but luckily failed due to, some people believe, the arrival of the last prophet, Muhammad:
http://www.overlordsofchaos.com/html/
jundi-shapur.html

And it’s a devoted Christian who is saying that, not a Muslim!

If Celtics/ druids were in fact have yogic/vedic origins....Did Brits originate from Druids???... I have a hard time accepting that our enemy originated from us???

As I said before you it’s difficult to make sense of the history if you only look at the names of nations/nationalities. It’s because the people who really made the history so bloody left the people who suffered those atrocities behind to be blamed afterwards. Think of Mongols and their atrocities. Does it mean all those ancient Mongols benefited from the atrocities their Khans did? No, most of them were sent to wars at a gun-point, no sword-point ;-). They had to leave their families behind and didn’t know if they would return or not. The Khans, who might not be Mongols themselves, got the benefit. Ordinary people suffered, but still their nation was and is called barbaric.

And you think that the British are your enemies. Relate the story above to the British and beyond!

Re: Anonymous. Don’t worry it won’t be difficult to identify me. I bite, but still say the truth!

greg said...

Good post Eric, like in freemasonry, the obelisks and all seeing eye symbolism are part of Christianity also, both of them came from the same evil source AKA star people.

Druv said...

>"I am not here to find you a museum with fake artifacts - you can find it yourself if you really want it. I am just implying that what really happened may be much different from what we read in history books. The museums serve to prove the history part of which may be false."

I have already shown before that 95 % of the artifacts in the British museum do not belong to its own civilization. If you say that there are many museums creating fake history? back it up with examples.

>"You seem to love the word wave ;-) I think you still implying to ancient Indian civilization as the “core”."

The double slit experiment in Quantum physics proves the wave effect, and If you don't see it, do study the double slit experiment.

>"But I don’t believe you are born again and again. This false concept may be another tool for the people who are being exploited to keep silent and live their lives without any struggle for freedom hoping that in their “the next” lives they may be born the upper class."

The cycle of rebirth can be seen, yet again in the Double Slit experiment.

>"You are again implying that every Indian suffered from the Brits. "

No i never said every Indian suffered, The vedic civilization is stronger in South India because North India took the massive beating, as the invasion mostly stronger in the north.

>"Buddhism is another created religion, which is from start to finish idolatrous."

Its true it was made to make us into a monotheistic, there was even a point in time that Buddhism almost wiped out Sanatan Dharma.

Druv said...

>"I was actually referring to earlier periods, but the importance of India to Britain has not changed since then either. For your “enlightenment” find and read: Hassnain, F.M. British policy towards Kashmir 1846-1921 New Delhi: Sterling Publishers, 1974."

The British East India company conspired to egg on the Muslims to create their own country so the fight between Hindu's and Muslims will never end. "Classic divide and Rule policy."


>"I never said Russia has always been opponent of Britain & Co. They also suffered much throughout their history. But there have been times it was free and was real danger to British assets in Asia, most importantly India."

You proved my point yourself, "India" was nothing more than an asset which they plundered, if some one attacked, ofcouse they would fight back like a dog than preserves its territory.

"Shiva was nothing more than man."

This line alone proves you are nothing but just another ignoramus. We existed far beyond the Christians and Muslims. Both of their agenda's is to destroy, assimilate and dominate. History is proof itself. The first Christians that entered India were the Jesuits " the God's militia that made its foot hold in God 450 years ago. Muslims before that destroyed, plundered and created mosques over temples.

Sanatan Dharma has no concept of Conversion. BTW, Hindi and Sanskrit have no words for Divorce.

"you think that the British are your enemies. Relate the story above to the British and beyond!"

British ventured out from their world to gain resources and market, that i explained in my previous post. A greater evil was born which ran the British East India company, the "Rothschild" that took over British East India company and used it like a pawn.

Druv said...

>"You really need to learn how logic works. Without it, you keep on asking questions without any purpose. If you are just trying to prove me wrong, find someone else to waste their time."

I wasn't really talking to you, Its Eric, he was looking for the reason why the Freemason were using hand-signs and its origins. And the commonality between every thing.

>"Think of Mongols and their atrocities. Does it mean all those ancient Mongols benefited from the atrocities their Khans did?"

I know what they did, they entered India through Sir-e-hind (the head of hind) and they killed even women and children and took young women to use them as prostitutes in "haram". They destroyed temples and made mosques over them.

The infamous Taj Mahal is the living proof, which is a Shiva temple. It has a trident on top not a crescent star. Hindu people didn't do any thing because they wanted to protect their families, they had given up.


>"Re: Anonymous. Don’t worry it won’t be difficult to identify me. I bite, but still say the truth!"

I appreciate your honesty. However, having a name is a much better conversation starter like i said before.

P.s- i bite hard too, and i speak the truth as well.

Druv said...

Let me tell you a thing or 2 about God shiva.

He is considered to be the "Ultimate yogi", all people of Sanatan Dharma who practice yoga always give their respects to him to reach nirvana.

God Shiva is the destroyer of ignorance, hence is the the God of knowledge.

He is also Shown as the Shiva lingum, as he is a formless God.

This is why i called you a ignoramus, because you simply don't know what you are talking about.

Druv said...

Btw, what i was trying to show with the link below:


http://www.hymla.com/index.php?/Readings/were-the-druids-yogis.html

Look at the artifact, it is sitting in a yogic form and it has the Swastika.

If the druids have that, and they lived between France and Britain, and the citizens of those countries come from the druids.. think where your true ancestry lies? This is why i do not hate the British any more.

They were Christianized by the Romans in the middle ages, proves my point about Christianity.

Anonymous said...

Druv said:
"Shiva was nothing more than man."

This line alone proves you are nothing but just another ignoramus.


Shiva is always depicted as either:
1) a young man, or
2) Shiva lingum.

1) How can someone who is physically no different to anybody else be the ultimate creator of the universe?!.

2) How can you pray to someone's phallus?

The conspiracy behind the obelisks and Shiva lingum is that it tries to prove that there is only one creator - the owner of that phallus ( i.e. there is no other God, we are created by chance.)

Whatever I say you won't accept it, because it is not easy to change dogmas.

We existed far beyond the Christians and Muslims. Both of their agenda's is to destroy, assimilate and dominate. History is proof itself.

You don't differentiate between:
1) what the ORIGINAL book in ORIGINAL form say
WITH
2) how people USED CORRUPTED scriptures to their OWN ADVANTAGE,
do you?

You seem to know the 2nd part well. Why don't you learn the 1st part in order to be able to differentiate?

Druv said...

1) he is depicted as the Ultimate Yogi, which was clear enough, yet you dont seem to understand that much.

2) it is not a phallus, it is the representation of the point of creation, where the energies meet to create some thing new. It depicts both male and female energies, not the body parts. Hence proves your limited perception.


I know 3 languages - English, Hindi and Sanskrit ( both written and spoken) *learning Nihongo on the side*

So I do understand the original work.

Lastly, there are no dogmas. The followers of Shiva are the followers of Knowledge. Hence your claim is nullified.

God Shiva has drum in his hand, and he shows us the rhythmic beat of creation. We are not created by chance, we are waves created by him into the universe and we are riding the tides of time.

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed, only transformed.

Which shows the cycle of rebirth yet again.

Our physical body disintegrates, but our soul lives on and returns in another life.

Nice try, i commend u.

Anadæ Quenyan Effro said...

Druv, 1st of all your powers for debate & discourse are, indeed, admirable. Secondly, I noted that I "Liked" you on Facebook. Thirdly, I recently watched in abject awe as in one of the Ancient Aliens episodes, not only did they cover the flying Vimanas of ancient India, but an archaeologist by the name of Christopher Dunn spoke at length (alongside basic animated diagrams) as to how the ancient Egyptians utilised the pyramids and their attendant obelisks as a power station. Just thought that I'd drop that into the conversation. Thanks for contributing so much, man.

Druv said...

Thank you so much.

Sanskrit is the most ancient language which has the words for vimana ( aircraft), yantra ( machine) but no words of abuse or divorce.

It shows we had no concept of divorce at one point of time, and there are stories of Ramayan, where the Avatar of God vishnu, "Rama" had his own pushpak vimana.

All temples in India have a pyramidal top, and the Shiva lingum is made from a Black stone.

Black as we have it, absorbs energy, and the pyramidal structure of a temple allows us to gather natural energy, which the people can absorb when they pour milk over the shiva lingum (it also represents the flow of river Ganga) This natural energy gave people a higher level of intelligence, which is why Shiva lingum is also known as Jyotir - lingum - which means the light of knowledge.

Do you want to know what fate is?

Most definitions leave it as a super natural concept.

Some definitions will lead you to Greek language, but will give you no clear answers.

Answer- once a wave is created, it will keep on propagating. It cannot be stopped, until another cancels it out or it dissipates. This is fate.

This is why you cannot stop aging.

This is why you cannot live forever.

This is why you will be reborn as well.

The true source of the concept of fate is...?

You guessed it! Sanatan Dharma. The epicenter of the original wave.

Only the "Enlightened" can show you the truth =) and they can quantify it :D

Where did the concept of Enlightenment begin?

Think about it, find the original wave - you will know the truth for yourself.

Druv said...

I know a part of the future.

The sad reality is we are going to disappear/ dissipate. The ancient civilization of Sanatan Dharma was built upon three rivers - Ganga, yumuna and saraswati.

Saraswati has disappeared, now the river Ganga is going to share the same fate. They are doing mining near the river which will eventually destroy the river. Same thing will happen with Yumuna. When these three rivers are gone, the majority of this ancient civilization will be gone.

There will come a time when the knowledge of the vedas will disappear too completely.

However, Sanatan means never ending, so how can we be destroyed?

The answer is that it exists within the souls of the people. We will be born again and the knowledge will exist still within our souls.

Like the phoenix rising from the ashes, If you trace back the origins of the story, it leads to the stories of Garuda.

The answer is so simple.

I will have my second chance to fight for the new dawn, i found my hope.

Anadæ Quenyan Effro said...

Druv! Just as I completed reading, "The answer is that it exists within the souls of the people. We will be born again & the knowledge will exist still within our souls", lo & behold, I had a mini-power outage here, thus robbing me of my internet connection 'til I rebooted my Mac, just as Simple Minds sang the lyric, "And the wave is crashing" from their 12" single, New Gold Dream … You really ought to be discussing all of this on your own blog. Seriously. And I intone that in all good encouragement. Or on Facebook. Namsté, my brother. You have helped me immeasurably in restoring my faith in all things great. Namasté

Druv said...

I am working on making my own blog, but knowing what i know, i cannot horde this knowledge to myself that is the ancient path of dharma.

I just mailed you about my FB :)

Ben said...

Wait, how does the double-slit experiment prove the cycle of rebirth? That's a conclusion I haven't seen anyone tease from the experiment before.

Druv said...

cycle of rebirth = recurring wave effect, we are echoing through time. Constantly repeating, through the cycle of rebirth.

we go through 84 million cycle of rebirth, all of us. If you do not attain nirvana, you repeat the cycles. Basic laws of the universe.

And we originate from one source.

This is what sanatan dharma has always taught.

Eric Dubay said...

The double-slit experiment is about particle/wave duality and nonlocality, not sure what you mean by "recurring wave effect" or how that proves reincarnation. Sounds like a stretch, but I'd love to hear that explanation :-)

Druv said...

Let me start off with a story from the ancient stories of "Panchatantra".

>Mind you, my story telling skills are not perfect, might deviate a little from the original story<

There was a "cat" and she was one day walking along in search of food. She found a baby Lion cub, that was lying near the corpse of his mother. His mother had been killed by a hunter. So the cat took the lion cub with her, and cared for him. Taught him how to hunt, and survive in the world.

As time passed on, the lion grew up. He was big and very strong. His strength went to his head, and he started thinking, hmmph this cat is so small and i am so much more powerful than the cat....

Hmm, i am going to EAT it!

He started chasing the cat, blinded with his power, forgot she had taught him every thing he knew.

She did not have his power, BUT she has superior speed. She ran fast, and climbed up a tree.

The Lion roared from the bottom of the tree.

WHY DIDN'T U TEACH ME HOW TO CLIMB THE TREE!!?

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Moral of the story: the master always keeps the ace in the hole.

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Druv said...

I can tell you how to achieve this knowledge, however.

We the people of Sanatan Dharma, got the "knowledge of Yoga" from God Shiva, hence he is known as the Ultimate yogi.

Through yoga you can attain the knowledge, that you cannot get from the 5 senses.

What i said before about the recurring wave effect, was in fact complete in itself. But you are using the 5 senses to understand it. Hence the problem =)

You know the solution, Yoga.

Druv said...

The word "Pagan" comes from "Latin", which basically points to Rome or should i say "Vatican"

"A derogatory term created to suppress the original."


oh ya, if you do yoga that would mean you are following God Shiva?

Are you sure you want to follow a pagan God?

Are you ready to cross that barrier?

Yoga comes from God Shiva. (don't ever forget it)

Druv said...

Through the ages, Yogi's have used this "knowledge of Yoga" to "forge their soul" in the heat of "Sadhana"/ meditation.

The knowledge they achieved, they used for the betterment of every one. Those who misuse it, are destroyed by their own greed.

Its a simple concept.


It was greed and ignorance, which gave birth to "religions" who came up with the concepts of "pagans", "idolaters" and all those derogatory names.

It is ignorance that people don't know that Yoga came from God Shiva. And they call him a man?

That is only a symbol, and he is sitting in the position of "Padma Asan" and "Gyana Mudra".

Gyana Mudra converts life energy into the power of knowledge.

This is why, Sanatan Dharma has no concept of "Conversion", because we are the first. The source.

graham said...

The various signs of the zodiac are depicted on ceilings of masonic lodges as well as masonic tracing boards like these.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_xdN0QQwsP1A/S-jJ1gIx4fI/AAAAAAAAHfE/ey7G5OmUb_o/s400/50_ra_tracing_board6.jpg

But surprisingly masons keep denying their association with astrology, the astrological sign of Scorpio that represents murder, destruction, domination and power and also full moon days are astrologically very important for Freemasons. American govt. declared war in Iraq on March 18th 2003 a full moon day. The European Union was created under the sign of Scorpio, on November 1st 1993.

Druv said...

Astrology was a tool created to optimize the probability of success of any event. May it be Good or bad.

At the specific star combination, the probability of success increases.

It is the actions of the people would be considered Good or bad, not the tool itself.

Hence, Astrology has nothing to do with evil.

They will be destroyed by the evil they create - that is the bottom line of karma, their evil will not last forever.

Druv said...

I will make it easier for everyone, For those who want to see the truth of this world.

Those who want to see the basic constructs of this universe, look at the double slit experiment diagram again and the pic below:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f310/ProtectorX/OM.jpg


This is the sound that made the whole universe and yes, the words are in Sanskrit..

Sahil said...

The American flag was adopted from the flag of slave trading, opium trafficking corporation called british east india company, whose owners were freemasons nathan and james rothschild. The red and white prison stripes on american flag were picked up from british east india company flag. America is another prison state owned by masonic banksters.

"Brits are the biggest manipulators of history!"

@druv : Agree with you druv, the british masonic bankers are biggest manipulators of history, you know many prominent faces of indian independence movement like motilal nehru, swami vivekanand, C.Rajagopalachary, Sir C P Ramaswamy Iyer were members of freemasonry and jawaharlal nehru was member of fabian society.
The whole Indian independence movement was fake, it was masons on both sides playing with people's mind. The remote control of Indian national congress was and is in the hands of masonic british banksters.

Druv said...

Yes, they are using the power of Shiva against us. Trying to horde all that power by manipulating people's minds by calling us - Occult, pagans and all that bull shit. (pure psychological manipulation)

The Vatican uses the power of Shiva, look at the Vatican square.

Christians stay away from this knowledge of yoga which was given to us by God Shiva, hence they can never achieve the original knowledge which cannot be achieved by the 5 senses.

The only way to stop them is to use the power of God Shiva against them.

Druv said...

For those who do not understand the cycle of rebirth:

We take the knowledge we collect in this life to the next. We pick up from where we left off.

If you have done bad deeds and are drawn towards evil, you will commit the same crimes in the next life.

If you are a good person and do good deeds to protect people, you will do the same in your next life.

However, path can change when you are reborn, that is not fixed.

Each life you have in this world is a chance given to you so you can understand the truth about this world, and achieve nirvana.

For those who commit evil and have evil in their hearts, they are reborn at a faster rate. Lets say 2 years.

The Good souls however take a long time to be reborn.

I am not going to go further into its details.

Understand the wave effect if you wish to set yourself free, and try to find the source.

Look at the double slit experiment, again, and again till u get it.

The truth of the universe cannot be given nor taken.And cannot be bought not sold.

It is the ultimate barrier, if used for greed by any one, he would destroy himself. Lets not cheapen its holy nature.

Anthony said...

Amazing discussion. How does Christianity fit into this? Bible prophecy? The mark of the beast? I am convinced that those who run the world are actively trying to make the book of revelations come true, or at least create enough real life analogues to the revelation story to convince people that we are in the end times. That being said, I believe that they also wrote the book of revelations, though I have been told by Bible scholars that it dates all the way back to the original Greek (and is actually butchered in the translation to English). Any info you could put forth would be much appreciated, as I have always had problems linking the old religions to Christianity in my analysis of the Brotherhood's actions throughout the millennia.

Eric Dubay said...

Thanks for the comment Anthony. Have you seen these posts yet?:

The Bible - Never Meant to be Literal or Historical

The Religious Conspiracy 1

The Religious Conspiracy 2

The Religious Conspiracy 3

The Religious Conspiracy 4

The Religious Conspiracy 5

The Religious Conspiracy 6