Comments on The Atlantean Conspiracy: Geocentricity vs. Heliocentricity

Not sure, all I know is the difference in the pass...

2011-12-23T10:42:12.083-08:00

Not sure, all I know is the difference in the passage of time and also flying the same route. All though time is relative right? LOL! Wonder if SR71 Pilots saw a preception diffrence in round trips

In the other post Ben said the reason why you can't hover in a helicopter waiting for your destination to arrive, the reason we feel no constant wind or motion, and the reason there is no difference in resistence/acceleration for East-West flying planes and proectiles is because the atmosphere moves precisely along with the Earth.

In this post Susumu and Anonymous are claiming that East-West flying planes DO encounter resistance. So, heliocentrists, which is it? You can't have it both ways. And if there is measurable resistance please show me proof of this.

Why when I fly to Okinawa from Phoenix it takes 16...

2011-12-22T13:06:29.813-08:00

Why when I fly to Okinawa from Phoenix it takes 16 hours to get there and 18 hours to get back. Because in the plane going there the earth is rotating towards me and when I am going back my direction of flight is the same as the Earth rotation

Thanks for the questions Anonymous. 1) The moti...

2011-12-14T20:05:11.578-08:00

Thanks for the questions Anonymous.

1) The motion of other celestial bodies, retrograde or not, does not and cannot prove the motion or lack of motion of Earth. Ptolemy's epicycles account for retrograde motion just as well as Kepler's ellipses. The planets have long been known as "wandering stars" due to their motion across the celestial sphere, going in all directions at varying velocities, unlike all the other "fixed stars" which follow perfect fixed circular orbits:

Retrograde Epicyclic Motion

2) Because the Viking missions were faked on Earth and we've never actually been to Mars:

Mars Faker

3) We have never been to the Moon or Mars and all NASA images/video of the planets is CGI computer-graphic imaging. NASA is the biggest and most successful propaganda machine in the world.

The Moon Landing Hoax

As for the "magic velcro," it is quite magical as it is apparently able to make the entire atmosphere spin perfectly along with Earth so no one in all of history has ever felt the slightest bit of motion, disturbance, or air resistance. Not only that but the magic also allows for clouds, wind and weather patterns to casually flow in every direction at varying velocities, often in opposite directions at different altitudes simultaneously! The magic velcro, which heliocentrists claim is some perfect amalgamation of gravity and centrifugal force, is strong enough to drag miles of Earth's atmosphere along with it, but too weak to prevent little bugs, birds, clouds and planes from easily traveling in any direction without a smidgen of added resistance. Also the world is supposedly spinning at 1,038 mph at the equator, about 900-700 mph at the mid-latitudes of USA and Europe, decreasing gradually all the way down to 0 mph at the North and South poles, where apparently the stagnant atmosphere never moves and completely escapes the grips of the magic velcro. This means that at all latitudes, the atmosphere manages to perfectly coincide with the speed of the Earth compensating from 0 mph at the poles all the way up to 1,038 mph at the equator, and every speed in between. These are quite lofty assumptions that heliocentrists make without any experimental evidence to back them up. Hence why it is very "magical thinking" they're using to bolster this implausible moving Earth/atmosphere theory.

I’m not trying to argue one way or the other, but ...

2011-12-14T15:25:59.845-08:00

I’m not trying to argue one way or the other, but have rudimentary knowledge of physics and astronomy and have been taught the earth is in motion. I am not adverse to changing my opinion. The wormhole idea is intriguing, for example. But for now, if the earth is NOT in motion, how to answer these questions. And my assumption here is it’s admitted the Earth isn’t moving, but the rest of the objects in the universe, and therefore our solar system, are:

Question 1--If the Earth isn't moving in an orbit around the sun, why does Mars appear to have a retrograde orbit some of the time? I believe this should be a well-known phenomenon to not have to further explain. Are we to believe that Mars speeds up and slows down?
Question 2--If a moving Earth would pull people right off the surface due to the speed scientists claim it is travelling at through the universe, why then would the Martian Landers through the decades, Viking's 1 & 2, and the Spirit & Opportunity rovers, not fly off the surface of Mars?
Question 3—If an atmosphere can only be explained to exist on a body in motion as being “magically velcroed,” how do we explain atmosphere’s on other planets and moons. Venus has a very thick atmosphere and Mars has a thin atmosphere. Saturn’s moon Titan has an atmosphere. All these bodies are in motion.
Comment 1—From a previous comment left on 126 by Anonymous: “Here is why the Earth is not spinning... If the current accepted theory that the Earth spins is true, than the area of Earth's equator would spin around the speed of 1000 m/ph west to east to complete a 24 hour day. Where i am located, it would spin around 850 m/ph. Now if the Earth is spinning 850 m/ph, then you simply have to to divide that speed by 60(minutes in an hour) to find out how fast you have to move to beat the Earth's motion like a huge treadmeel. One would have to be moving more than 850 m/ph to even go in the direction of west. That would mean that its physically impossible to walk west, bike west, drive west!!! Yet we can, with no resistance in that direction. CASE CLOSED, the EARTH DOES NOT SPIN”
Ok, well, have you noticed on an airplane you are able to get up and walk to the aft of the plane to go to the bathroom? Yet the plane’s thrust is in the opposite direction. Shouldn’t this be impossible? The same is true of any moving object—a boat, a train, a bus.

There are quite a few theories about the size of t...

2011-12-13T18:53:31.235-08:00

There are quite a few theories about the size of the Sun and the Moon all with their points of evidence and points of contention. The least plausible theory I've heard is the reigning heliocentric theory that the Sun is 400 times larger and 400 times further away than the Moon so that's why they serendipitously appear the same size. Other models like Salama referenced have the Moon slightly in front of the Sun, and others still suggest that the Sun and Moon aren't densely physical, just luminous discs that can pass through one another.

This universe was intelligently created with purpose and order, and NASA/Copernican nihilistic Big Bang cosmology attempts to hide this obvious fact. There are two huge lights that circle around us in perfectly synchronized opposing cycles. They appear exactly the same size and stay in the sky for exactly the same length of time. Human sleep and reproduction cycles are intimately connected to one, and all growth and physical life depends on the other. We live in a ying yang universe of perfect order and balance between good and evil, male and female, inhale and exhale, birth and death, sleep and awake, night and day, and Sun and Moon.

NASA claims with no experimentally verifiable evidence that both the Earth and Moon spin in opposite directions at just the right speed so we only see one side of the Moon and never feel any of the movement. They say the Sun is 400 times larger and 400 times further away than the Moon, and just coincidentally appear the same size from our faulty perspective. Not only that but they regularly cross one another showing us their balanced orbits, but that's just coincidence too. It appears that all the celestial bodies revolve around us and multiple experiments have proven just that, but people would still rather believe NASA because they can't/don't want to believe how badly they've been lied to.

Not Equal Distances. The Moon is in the First Orbi...

2011-12-13T18:24:33.688-08:00

Not Equal Distances.
The Moon is in the First Orbit. The Sun is in the Fourth.
But they aren't as far as NASA wants us to believe.

If the moon and sun are the same physical size, th...

2011-12-13T15:27:57.842-08:00

If the moon and sun are the same physical size, then from our perspective they would only look the same size in the sky if they are equal distance from us.

So if they are the same size and equally distant from the earth -- how can an eclipse happen? Why don't the moon and sun collide with each other instead?

For all the geocentric deniers, research George Ai...

2011-12-13T01:30:27.574-08:00

For all the geocentric deniers, research George Airy. He was convinced of Heliocentricism too and designed an experiment to prove it! Instead, however, he proved Geocentricism and the establishment deemed it "Airy's Failure." Let's hear you NASA-indoctrinated heliocentrists explain the results of Airy's experiment using the moving Earth model:

Airy's Experiment

Airy's Failure Reconsidered

Antikytheria Mechanism ~ Ancient Clockwork Compute...

2011-12-10T22:14:15.248-08:00

Antikytheria Mechanism ~ Ancient Clockwork Computer to Predict...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTeC1B9G1qo&feature=related

The Moonwalker's album, Blood on the Dance Flo...

2011-12-10T21:27:09.019-08:00

The Moonwalker's album, Blood on the Dance Floor, does the Moontalker on 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFEgEwrkutQ&feature=related

http://stardate.org/nightsky/moon

"Almost always?" That doesn't sound...

2011-12-10T06:48:23.274-08:00

"Almost always?" That doesn't sound like consistent, scientifically verifiable resistance. How much more resistance are you claiming West bound planes encounter than East bound?

Umm, Planes traveling East to West DO counter resi...

2011-12-10T06:38:43.079-08:00

Umm, Planes traveling East to West DO counter resistance...take any round trip and the Westbound leg is almost always longer than the Eastbound return flight....

And beside convincing Man of his Insignificance, w...

2011-12-09T01:18:49.610-08:00

And beside convincing Man of his Insignificance, we can add another reason for the Deceive. Putting "the Sun at the Center" is a (Sun-Worship,Druids,Kabbalah)belief!

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/history/paine_t.html
http://www.deism.com/paine_essay_masonry_1.htm

(Thomas Paine’s Origin of Free-Masonry)

Wow. Just...wow.

2011-12-08T09:05:49.209-08:00

Wow. Just...wow.

For what its worth, I know several physicists t...

2011-12-07T19:02:03.386-08:00
For what its worth, I know several physicists that believe in an aether, i.e., that empty space is not empty.

Yes, all knowledgeable & honest physicists know this. The aether has been proven to exist in multiple experiments, and true vacuums don't exist anywhere in outerspace or laboratories. The aetheric medium is always everywhere.

This idea of an aether was in Cauchy's work, and Lord Kelvin's. Why do you think Einstein won a Nobel prize? Because he was able to come up with a logical explaination against such a concept.

Exactly. I wouldn't go so far as to call the Special Theory of Relativity "logical" though. LOL. As the Robert Sungenis quote stated: "As for Einstein, if you want to believe that lengths shrink when an object moves, time changes in the process, and its mass increases, just so you can explain the anomalies of Michelson's experiments, that's your privilege, but I'd just as soon answer it by saying that mass, time and length stay the same and the Earth isn't moving, and I'm just as 'scientific' as you for saying so."

What I am struggling with the most is how can it be that such a vast and immortal conspiracy can be envisioned and implemented by ordinary men.

I know what you mean, but throughout recorded history, rich, powerful men conspiring in secret to advanced shared agendas is the rule, not the exception. Have a look at the plethora of other intricate and vast conspiracies I've exposed here on AC.com and I think you'll agree that big lies and conspiracies are the norm; truth, honesty and accountability are not. Peace

So what's the purpose of this lie they tell...

2011-12-07T18:45:58.557-08:00
So what's the purpose of this lie they tell us?

To make you believe in the Big Bang, Evolution, and Aliens, and to make you not believe in God, purposeful creation, and astrology:

By removing Earth from the motionless center of the Universe, these dark philosophers (Copernicus, Kepler, Newton, Galileo, Einstein) have moved us physically and metaphysically from a place of supreme importance to one of complete nihilistic indifference. If the Earth is the center of the Universe, then the ideas of God, creation, and a purpose for human existence are resplendent. But if the Earth is just one of billions of planets revolving around billions of stars in billions of galaxies, then the ideas of God, creation, and a specific purpose for Earth and human existence become highly implausible.

"The heliocentric theory, by putting the sun at the center of the universe ... made man appear to be just one of a possible host of wanderers drifting through a cold sky. It seemed less likely that he was born to live gloriously and to attain paradise upon his death. Less likely, too, was it that he was the object of God’s ministrations." -Morris Kline

By removing Earth from the motionless center of the Universe, the entirety of astrology, a science of consciousness coveted and used obsessively by the elite, is made null and void. If the Earth is the center of the Universe and all the planets (ancient gods) revolve around us, then birth charts, alignments, and astrology are measurable, calculable, repeatable, and thus scientifically verifiable. But if the Earth is just one of billions of planets revolving around billions of stars in billions of galaxies, then astrology disappears into the realms of pseudo-science believed by our ignorant ancestors.

For what its worth, I know several physicists that...

2011-12-07T12:49:09.193-08:00
For what its worth, I know several physicists that believe in an aether, i.e., that empty space is not empty. This idea of an aether was in Cauchy's work, and Lord Kelvin's. Why do you think Einstein won a Nobel prize? Because he was able to come up with a logical explaination against such a concept.

What I am struggling with the most is how can it be that such a vast and immortal conspiracy can be envisioned and implemented by ordinary men.

So what's the purpose of this lie they tell us...

2011-12-07T10:12:57.581-08:00
So what's the purpose of this lie they tell us?

Here's another quote confirming the irrelevanc...

2011-12-07T09:00:47.612-08:00
Here's another quote confirming the irrelevance of Foucault's pendulum and the Coriolis effect to determining geo or heliocentricity:

"Since Foucault’s pendulum and the Coriolis effect are closely related, they can be considered together. Foucault’s pendulum, which was constructed in Paris in 1851, was a pendulum consisting of a 200 foot long flexible wire on which a heavy iron weight was suspended so as to be free to oscillate in any direction. It was found that the oscillating pendulum never retraced its path but at each swing apparently deviated: if the experiment is conducted in the northern hemisphere it deviates to the right, and in the southern hemisphere it will deviate to the left. The so-called “Coriolis effect” is similar: a shell from a long range gun, aimed at a target to the south of it, will land to the right of the target in the northern hemisphere and to the left in the southern hemisphere. Although the apparently obvious conclusion to be drawn from these two experiments is that the earth is rotating anticlockwise when observed from a fixed point above the North Pole, on further examination the obviousness is seen to be an illusion. It is at first not easy to grasp the fact that Foucault’s pendulum and the Coriolis effect only demonstrate relative motion and do not demonstrate which, if either, of the two objects is at rest, but careful thought will show it to be true. All that the experiments show is that there are forces which act on bodies in motion relative to each other, and that either the earth is rotating, or the inertial field of the “rest of the universe” is rotating round the earth, or some combination of these movements is occurring. Certainly a rotating earth would account for the phenomenon equally well (in this case the fixed stars would be preventing the ether from going round the earth at the same speed as the latter rotated), but it does not account for it better. The phenomenon cannot therefore logically be used to prove any one of the alternatives." -N. Martin Gwynne

Trying to use Foucault's pendulum as proof for heliocentricity really backfired when Maurice Allais repeatedly observed pendulums slowing their motion during eclipses! This implies that either the "rotating Earth" decelerates during eclipses or the firmament does. NASA doesn't want to concede the implications so they continue to remain silent on the issue:

Foucault Pendulum Eclipsed by Allais Effect

Interesting, I'm not expert in this. But the...

2011-12-07T01:29:47.743-08:00
Interesting, I'm not expert in this. But there are some social implications worth mentioning.

The accepted theories of space seem to support the idea of human insagnifigance. In the material sense.

An occult perspective might suggest that, each person is the static center of their own universe, because there needs to be a mind to perceive it. He or she is at the center of perception always.

The middle may be here or it may be there, but if a fellow is denied the knowledge that he is also undeniably a and the "center". That is a way of consciously or unconsciously claiming power over them.

If we look at the "evolution" or concept of the evolution of the sun, there are always people who undeniably know what it is, usually it coincides with the latest science, in ancient times it was god, in the 1800s, it was burning gas, the the 1900s, it was nuclear, I believe, now I belive it works by fusion. What shall it be next? Always it is the most powerful thing man can conceive of. Many will always be certain of that.

There are even those dumb enough to say when it will burn out, based on their "measurements".

The sun will always be what it is, and that is likely beyond our terrestrial perception at this time. We don't have great tools to measure it.

As to the workings of the rotation or non rotation of the earth, it's the same presumptuous certanty. Subject to the same "evolution" as the sun.

My take.

Good stuff, thanks for the read.

Hey Anonymous, the Coriolis effect just like Fouca...

2011-12-06T20:08:54.522-08:00
Hey Anonymous, the Coriolis effect just like Foucault's pendulum can be equally explained by the rotating firmament or a rotating Earth. Regardless whether it is the Earth that is rotating or the aether that is rotating, the same effect would be noticed. No experiment however has ever shown the Earth to be moving, but the Michelson-Morley, Michelson-Gale, Airy, Sagnac, and Kantor experiments all proved the existence and motion of the aether.

For more on this I came across a great PDF today I've been reading:

Galileo vs. The Geocentric Theory of the Universe

Good post Eric.what do you think of the corlois ef...

2011-12-06T15:10:32.523-08:00
Good post Eric.what do you think of the corlois effect and it being " evidence" of earth rotating? What would it's place be in relation to a geocentric model?

Corlois effect is the direction water will form into a vortex when you flush a stoilet, sink, etc..counterclockwise in the northern hemisphere, clockwise in the southern hemisphere WITHOUT intentionally influencing the direction of the flow.

-d

the still photos make me think we are in a "...

2011-12-06T09:55:57.936-08:00
the still photos make me think we are in a "worm hole".

what is in the center of the concentric circle of stars from the cameras viewpoint?

I thought of this great example last time i saw yo...

2011-12-06T09:21:44.178-08:00
I thought of this great example last time i saw your post on geocentricism. Here is why the Earth is not spinning... If the current accepted theory that the Earth spins is true, than the area of Earth's equator would spin around the speed of 1000 m/ph west to east to complete a 24 hour day. Where i am located, it would spin around 850 m/ph. Now if the Earth is spinning 850 m/ph, then you simply have to to divide that speed by 60(minutes in an hour) to find out how fast you have to move to beat the Earth's motion like a huge treadmeel. One would have to be moving more than 850 m/ph to even go in the direction of west. That would mean that its physically impossible to walk west, bike west, drive west!!! Yet we can, with no resistance in that direction. CASE CLOSED, the EARTH DOES NOT SPIN...HC(0),GC(1)...Some good topics for your site are Education Sytems(look up the term sudbury school, its very cool), you could talk about the new bill being passed(s.1867)Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial, you could talk about DMT(dimenthentrypnol), Shamanism…Peace-AG