tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post5306926850013823613..comments2024-03-07T10:02:32.188-08:00Comments on The Atlantean Conspiracy: Why I Train Wing ChunEric Dubayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-76411486096399389122015-09-10T08:24:27.238-07:002015-09-10T08:24:27.238-07:00Thanks for this nice post. Yes, martial art is not...Thanks for this nice post. Yes, martial art is not only for self defense, it also makes you self confidence makes you body fit and flexible body. So I think from childhood every child should be trained on self defense. So we organized self defense program for <a href="http://ultimatemmact.com/kids-martial-arts/" rel="nofollow">Kids Brazilian Jiu-jitsu in Connecticut</a> ,you can get 30 days free class here.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14675836442372016732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-62274871590106157232015-08-29T11:19:14.765-07:002015-08-29T11:19:14.765-07:00As another poster already pointed out, Bas Rutten ...As another poster already pointed out, Bas Rutten gives a clear answer to this non question, most traditional martial arts have very little application to real world situations. As a practical method of fighting or even self defence, <i>most</i> martial arts are not so useful. <br /><br />Mainly because most of them don't replicate the experience of being in a fight well enough, the concept of being under pressure <b>PLUS</b> the ability to know what it feels like to be hit with full force <b>PLUS</b> the stamina to be able to fight well when things aren't going your way. <br /><br />Boxing for example is extremely useful for these reasons and many others. It's silly to say, this one style is the best style of all, and I truly believe every martial art has value, however some styles have more value than others. Any martial art is better than knowing nothing, but some have more practical value than others. Other have value for non fighting reasons, like self discipline, learning breathing techniques and learning about your Qi. These are all valid reasons to spend time studying them, just doesn't mean they'll be useful for actual fighting.<br /><br />MMA fighters are tough as hell. Obviously it depends on the individual, their level of skill, stamina, heart etc. <b>But the argument that because they are limited by rules they wouldn't be effective in real life is inherently ridiculous.</b> All it means is they have tremendous advantages over those guys who don't compete professionally under pressure, and when the rules are lifted they'll be able to do everything they usually do(which is effective enough already), AND everything else like eye gouging, kicking in the balls and whatever. It's not a credible point of view you promoted, and the only reason I feel compelled to comment is because when you post with authority like this, some gullible idiots are going to believe you. Then they're either going to waste their time training under some erroneous beliefs, which may get them in trouble or even killed at some point. You try eye poking from the wrong range with the wrong guy and you'll get your fingers broken, that's why almost all practical fighting styles tell people to keep their hands in a fist not open. Try poking someone in the eye when they are in a dominant position over you, and if it fails(highly likely) and they'll hurt you even worse..<br /><br />People who learn idiotic knife disarm techniques under (for example) karate rules and then go into a real life situation thinking they can use it will most likely get severely injured killed! The most useful knife fighting martial art is Kali(sometimes called Escrima or Arnis). It's what the Filipino special forces use and what most elite special forces soldiers learn. Why? Because it's the most effective and practical. Battle proven, not internet theory.<br /><br /><b>Folks: never listen to ANYONE who tells you their style is the best. Always do your own research and in my opinion the people whose views on this topic have the most value are actual professional fighters or soldiers. Why? Because they know what works under pressure and they rely on using what works. If something doesn't work under pressure, eg eye attacks and pressure point attacks, they don't waste their energy trying to use it.</b><br /><br /><br />You can watch this Bas Rutten interview on these topics here:<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-917200158976941512015-03-05T08:30:18.816-08:002015-03-05T08:30:18.816-08:00Thanks for the post.
But:
Why on earth are you c...Thanks for the post.<br /><br />But:<br /><br />Why on earth are you comparing Wing Chun (in the frame of non-sports and self-defence, IE, do anything to "win") to MA based sports (with rules/limitations, IE.. sport..)? Very silly.<br /><br />If you take all those other MA's out of the context of sport and into the context of self-defence or battle, they are just as lethal as WC, as their are no rules. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-7870515018560750822014-10-18T19:38:17.755-07:002014-10-18T19:38:17.755-07:00Hey Tatang, absolutely, FMA have the best weapons ...Hey Tatang, absolutely, FMA have the best weapons training hands-down, so I would keep that up, but certainly if you get the chance Wing Chun will complement your Arnis training for sure. Peace!Eric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-56564663223733499862014-10-18T17:50:32.989-07:002014-10-18T17:50:32.989-07:00I've been training Modern Arnis for almost a y...I've been training Modern Arnis for almost a year.We have covered a lot of material (3 levels) and are now going back to drill and become experts at the material. In the same building is a Wing Chung school.I know the instructors and got an introduction to the system.The empty hands were fast.Strike and block at the same time. No block check counter.No two step footwork. The foot stomp kick was flat out scary. I was told that they train 8 drills for about 2 years and get very precise, and precision is imperative. The Wing Chung school doesn't seem to have a lot of students,but the students I see are serious and train like hell.I'm going to continue my FMA because I need the weapons training but I would love to pick up WC In the future.<br />tatangnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-55045367321124886692014-05-25T11:47:35.821-07:002014-05-25T11:47:35.821-07:00Thanks Eric, and while training in Wing Chun, ever...Thanks Eric, and while training in Wing Chun, every once in a while I recommend going else where and doing at least short seminars in other MAs and 'light' sparring with (protective gear) with other MA students / instructors (different energy). Even with untrained people, clumsy people, is good once in a while cause it's different then the people you always train with. Plus I find after a while you don't even know / feel you're getting better but it becomes obvious with untrained people. Careful though, most injuries come from beginners as they have less control but we've all started there. One other thing I want to point out. Although it's true that many thai/western boxers think Wing Chun is weak which we know is incorrect, some Wing Chun students also think Thai/Western boxers is all about brute force and skills which can not be taken to old age. I've found that both sides are correct and incorrect in some ways. As you know what works in WC can't be seen, it has to be felt, your opponent will feel it for sure, and it's about tendons, relax movements, and internal training. With Thai and western boxing, it's very technical, precise efficient movements practiced in to your muscle memory which often do continue in to old age. I can't honestly say which is better it really depends on the person's personality, body type, conditions, etc. Also train for other situations like home invasion (hands tied behind back), on stairways, under low ceilings like crawl spaces, sitting at restaurant booth, etc. Many people use their arms and legs so often they don't train how to use their shoulders, body, head, and movements enough. Anyways enough said I should write a book haha. Later.<br />Alex Machidanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-64466359668005897162014-05-24T20:09:23.585-07:002014-05-24T20:09:23.585-07:00Great points Alex, thanks for the contribution! P...Great points Alex, thanks for the contribution! PeaceEric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-71162360588547908162014-05-24T18:46:08.958-07:002014-05-24T18:46:08.958-07:00Hi I think you've found your path in Martial A...Hi I think you've found your path in Martial Arts and it works for you as an individual. I've been practicing Martial Arts including JKD concepts for many years and students are encouraged to find their own path. In the beginning concepts are learned from many different instructors in many types of Martial Arts for the purpose of the streets including Wing Chun, Silat, FMA, thai / western boxing, Savate, Sambo, Krav Maga, etc. Eventually each individual can choose to specialize in specific areas including Wing Chun or stay well rounded but each person becomes very different. I've seen some JKD students specialize in one MA including just WC, and they are great. As the saying goes use what works and take it from any where. I think what you've done is that, having practiced other martial arts before and choosing to specialize in WC. I just want to say to keep in mind that won't be the case for other people. Wing Chun is a great option for many people but not for everybody. For me I've found that no one martial art has all the answers even for the 9 second street situation. And no matter what you practice it just takes one mistake to make a difference. Alex Machidanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-20538859522523054802014-04-28T20:24:50.853-07:002014-04-28T20:24:50.853-07:00Haha, thanks TheOne, hope to train with you one da...Haha, thanks TheOne, hope to train with you one day as well! PeaceEric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-91724831890048840362014-04-28T13:10:29.775-07:002014-04-28T13:10:29.775-07:00Very interesting article and definitely true.I'...Very interesting article and definitely true.I've been practicing wing chun for 2 years now, along with BJJ and kickboxing.I'm training real hard to get a good grasp and when I feel ready, enter an MMA competition. I definitely realise the importance of wing chun, especially for my defence.<br /><br />Hope to get to train with you someday, if you feel confident enough hahaha.<br />You have my respect.TheOnenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-29313261913542870942014-04-21T13:50:04.140-07:002014-04-21T13:50:04.140-07:00Thx Eric :) your advice was helpful and I will sur...Thx Eric :) your advice was helpful and I will surely do some more research about the teacher and school and then make my decision.<br /><br />Thanks again!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05463032123744946246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-23512123442035651892014-04-20T20:30:54.991-07:002014-04-20T20:30:54.991-07:00Hey Saifullah, thanks for the message! One of my ...Hey Saifullah, thanks for the message! One of my current students trained Ninjitsu for several years before switching to Wing Chun. What I like about Ninjitsu is the realistic, survival aspect you mentioned, the weapons and stealth aspects are cool too. I would recommend checking out both schools/instructors in your area and see which one gives you a better gut feeling. To be honest, I think a good instructor of any style beats a bad instructor of the "best" style, so I would base your decision on the instructor moreso than the art, unless you're absolutely sure which art you want to learn and only have that option. Hope that helps! PeaceEric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-54315787568789573792014-04-20T13:57:06.017-07:002014-04-20T13:57:06.017-07:00I have trained in Taekwondo for 9 years and I'...I have trained in Taekwondo for 9 years and I'm a Blue belt. I always wanted to learn martial arts. But since Taekwondo was the only one available at my school I picked that cause I had to start some where. Now I'm going to University of Birmingham, UK and they have both Wing Chun and Ninjutsu.<br /><br />Since I completely agree with your philosophy so, I want your opinion regarding the options available to me at my Uni.<br /><br />Now before anyone says anything about ninjutsu. Let me tell u I have done loads of research from past 2 weeks. So I know it's not about being a ninja n all, rather "ninjutsu" is more of a marketing terminology. Its Bujutsu and other branches to be precise.<br /><br />Now, since "ninjutsu" has one core idea i.e. survival. So do u think it fits in the situation of a real life fight where there are no rules?<br /><br />I don't know much but as far as I have seen they have kicks, lock, blocks, throws, I mean they have everything and everything is allowed.<br /><br />Ninjas use to learn everything and adapt their style to survive in different situation.<br /><br />I already know Wing Chun is awesome. <br /><br />I know it depends a lot on my teacher and all, but keeping all that aside I want to know what do u think of "ninjutsu" as an art in particular.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05463032123744946246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-56292507869591140092014-03-10T19:28:34.149-07:002014-03-10T19:28:34.149-07:00Thanks for the messages Matthew and Anon! Anon I ...Thanks for the messages Matthew and Anon! Anon I think you're absolutely right that MT/Boxing could use with more dirty strikes and sound fighting concepts as found in WC, and you're also right that many WC schools leave out the very necessary element of physical conditioning which MT is well-known for. As for clinch fighting, freestyle Chi Sao practice if done correctly is far more advanced and effective than the MT clinch, but I'm all for cross-training in all arts and keeping whatever works for you personally. Peace!Eric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-30564388930376933002014-03-10T10:18:13.112-07:002014-03-10T10:18:13.112-07:00Enjoyed your article. I can tell from your comment...Enjoyed your article. I can tell from your commentary that you have given this subject a lot of thought. Like you I came from a Tae Kwon Do background (Chung Moo Kwan) before gradually moving over to Muay Thai/western boxing. I agree with you that MT and western boxing could absolutely use some of the 'dirty strikes' that are hallmarks of Wing Chun. Conversely, I think that Wing Chun could also use some of the physical conditioning (core conditioning, aerobic conditioning, etc) inherent in MT/western boxing. Also Wing Chun might want to take a look at some clinch fighting concepts and basic head coverage from MT/western boxing. I think a lot of folks have discounted the effectiveness of traditional arts like Wing Chun because of MMA events like UFC. I look forward to your response; I will also check out the rest of your site as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-90959613692051494562014-02-28T20:14:36.910-08:002014-02-28T20:14:36.910-08:00Memmek10k
Hi, Can I say this I have read both of ...Memmek10k<br /><br />Hi, Can I say this I have read both of the blogges about wing chun and street self defense and Why I train in wing chun. both of which I agree with 98% the last two % are how one uses the style in terms of training, For example my younger brother used to train in wing chun with me and would always kick my butt in Chi sao, and Sparring, but left due to college and came into Karate at the college which he is still attending. (I can't remember which branch) but is Very effective, and very dirty, but also on the flip side; My Wing Chun from which I was taught by my sifu (He taught both of us differently by the way. My younger brother was taught a more harder version of wing chun.) while mine uses the method of strong and Mobile structure,and the use of counters and traps. which I have to say works for me pretty well since I have used wing chun on the street for quite some time now.(I don't come looking for fights by the way it just sort of comes my way.) which has help me not to get hit by the way, since I am a one of those get hit any where I fall down and have to be put back together again type of guys. and in my closing statment I would like to say thank you for this blog and thank you for reading this comment. Best of wishes to your awesomenessmatthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10253582758131612410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-29974597983981428352013-12-22T19:53:56.133-08:002013-12-22T19:53:56.133-08:00Hey Anon, thanks for the comment, sorry to hear ab...Hey Anon, thanks for the comment, sorry to hear about Gary Lam not giving enough individual attention... that is why I only teach private sessions. Wing Chun was originally taught from master to disciple, no classes, no belts, just one on one training. It's good to have different people to spar against and to practice multiple attackers, but for the most part, at least at the beginning, students need lots of one on one attention to get up to speed. I've had students from Moy Yat, Leung Ting, Gary Lam and others who all say they learned far more in their short time with me than they did in years at their respective schools. It's normal that you would still be on the first form after a month, but it's not normal that you should be ignored, not learn a single punch, and the instructor is playing on his cell phone. From what I've seen Gary Lam is an excellent WC practitioner, but not the best teacher... his broken English makes it difficult for him to convey his teachings in a way that resonates with native English speakers. You may want to see what other schools are in your area? Or take a Thailand Wing Chun Holiday? :)<br /><br /><a href="http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2013/09/thailand-wing-chun.html" rel="nofollow">Thailand Wing Chun Holiday</a>Eric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-14107200331662180432013-12-22T07:40:04.570-08:002013-12-22T07:40:04.570-08:00I need some info..i started training at Gary Lam&#...I need some info..i started training at Gary Lam'a Wing chun school in Alhambra for about month now and so far they've only have me practicing the first form..and master Lam doesent really pay much attention to me..when i walk in he just saids hi and plays with his cell phone.,so i just wonder in to a corner of the school practicing my form..students tell me its boring in the beginning but later it will pay off and i'll start learing the good stuff? Hmmm? Am i wasting my time or should i stick with it? I mean they even haven't should me a punch or a single self defense technique..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-80910543467025566872013-11-20T04:47:19.909-08:002013-11-20T04:47:19.909-08:00Awesome comment J Lo, thanks for sharing, totally ...Awesome comment J Lo, thanks for sharing, totally agree on all points!Eric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-89416478824034337972013-11-20T01:07:05.305-08:002013-11-20T01:07:05.305-08:00Personally as a wing chun practitioner for 3 years...Personally as a wing chun practitioner for 3 years and a karateka for 1 year I do not think there is a better style. All martial arts have been developed for combat and would not have survived if it had been ineffective due to challenges from other schools, styles and individuals. It comes down to the quality of the students, teachers, training methods, diets, the body type of the practitioner and the amount of time spent training. A boxer will beat an mma fighter at boxing, a taekwondo fighter will beat a mma figther at kicking, a judokan will beat an mma fighter at grappling and a jujitsu practitioner will beat an mma fighter at groundwork. this is because they have spent more time on that particular aspect. secondly some martial arts suit different body types e.g. a taekowndo fighter who is tall and skinny will not struggle as much as one who is chubby, muscley and short. the latter would better suit jujitsu or judo. third a person should not need to learn multiple disciplines to become a good figheter, he can use one style and adapt it so it has answers to the techniques of other styles. e.g. bjj has been developed by the gracies to the extent that it can take on almost any type of martial art by having defenses and counters to other styles. last of all mma and ufc are not the be all and end all of martial arts, it has indeed proved its effective no doubt but it is impossible to discover the perfect martial art as the various factors i have stated above affect the outcome of a fight. The questions is which martial art is the perfect one ?for you?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08184366763078134942noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-4000203021585573432013-11-14T19:15:26.725-08:002013-11-14T19:15:26.725-08:00Thanks Anon, when trained to a high level Aikido i...Thanks Anon, when trained to a high level Aikido is a formidable system of soft-style self-defense, but until developed to a master level, you're right, it's basically useless. Most strikers (and good grapplers) make short work of Aikido noobs.Eric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-76881353933384983002013-11-14T11:06:51.895-08:002013-11-14T11:06:51.895-08:00Very good article!!
However,
I almost spit my c...Very good article!!<br /><br />However, <br /><br />I almost spit my coffee over my screen when I read the word 'aikido'. <br /><br />Aikido is truly at the bottom of the list in terms of effectiveness. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-54902222859385532062013-10-16T08:59:51.207-07:002013-10-16T08:59:51.207-07:00Great points Anonymous, thanks for sharing :)Great points Anonymous, thanks for sharing :)Eric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-54283564045557589162013-10-16T08:38:33.015-07:002013-10-16T08:38:33.015-07:00As somebody who lives in foshan guangzhou and has ...As somebody who lives in foshan guangzhou and has moved within WC circles I feel I should address a few points.<br /><br />Part 1<br /><br />1) Street vs Sport<br /><br />There is a common claim that WC will be more effective in the street as other arts operate within a rule set.<br /><br />Firstly can you walk into a WC class and start thrusting your crotch towards people as a defensive move?<br /><br />Can you bring a shot gun and shoot your chi sao partner in the face?<br /><br />If the answer to these are no then you can clearly see WC has a rule set.<br /><br />Secondly if Usain Bolt beat you every time you race him at the 100 meters timed event would you expect to run much faster than him in street clothes on pavement?<br /><br />Would you expect to beat somebody who wins every time you swim a timed lap to lose when you swim across a river as one is a spot and the other is not?<br /><br />How is somebody who can kick and punch much harder and hit targets on a regular basis all of a sudden unable to change targets when it becomes a street fight?<br /><br />The killer blow to the sport vs street comes from Bas Rutten.<br /><br />Arguable nobody has had more documented street fights, most times with multiple opponents than this man. (and been jailed for it)<br /><br />He makes it very clear, if you cannot fight under the small pressure of inside the ring, you will certainly not be able to perform under the much higher pressure of life and death.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6187812747707644707.post-81499086204827511262013-10-06T21:28:33.523-07:002013-10-06T21:28:33.523-07:00Hey, yeah, I've yet to see WC adequately repre...Hey, yeah, I've yet to see WC adequately represented in the MMA fighting scene. The more I learn of various arts like Boxing, Muay Thai, Taekwondo, Karate, Judo, Wrestling, BJJ, Krav Maga, Aikido, the more I respect all of them but for different very specific reasons. They all have clear advantages and disadvantages and as a mixed martial artist, you want to aim to integrate them seamlessly so that, as Master Ken says, "you have the best of all, worst of none": Ameridote :)<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXosp4" rel="nofollow">Master Ken's Enter The Dojo</a>Eric Dubayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11495527904246265068noreply@blogger.com