Saturday, March 1, 2014

Earthlings



EARTHLINGS
is the single most powerful and informative documentary about society's horrific, unforgivable use and abuse of other animals, narrated by vegan actor Joaquin Phoenix with soundtrack by vegan musician Moby. This multi-award winning film is a must-see for anyone who truly desires peace and wishes to make the world a better place.

"Ignorance is the speciesist's first line of defense, yet it is easily breached by anyone with the time and determination to find out the truth. Ignorance has prevailed for so long only because people do not want to find out the truth. 'Don't tell me, you'll spoil my dinner' is the usual reply to any attempt to tell someone just how that dinner was produced. Even people who are aware that the traditional family farm has been taken over by big business interests, that their clothes come from slaughtered cows, that their entertainment means the suffering and death of millions of animals, and that some questionable experiments go on in laboratories, still cling to a vague belief that conditions cannot be too bad or else the government or the animal welfare societies would have done something about it. But it is not the inability to find out what is going on as much as a desire not to know about facts that may lie heavy on one's conscience that is responsible for this lack of awareness." -Earthlings




38 comments:

Baron Munse said...

Your a good researcher, I pose this to you, the bible seems to lean towards vegetarianism being a awesome idea, and humanity degrades into some animal sacrifice state later down the road.

I heard that Solomon's temple became nothing more then a slaughterhouse, and the people there were so brainwashed, that on passover the steps ran red with blood. Their hearts and minds went dark, and they became obedient to ritual and tradition, rather then free thinking compassionate beings.

It was not the money changers that were the issue there, it was more that it took a long time to get to the temple, so people could not bring things to kill there with them. The money changers were there to sell animals to slaughter, a lamb if you had money, a dove if you were poor. But this was not the proper food, see numbers 11.

The killing was done in the name of god, but was offensive, as Isiah suggests. The truth is in the lost book of daniel about "bell and the dragon", a skeme the priests cooked up. They started changing the words in the book around to cover their tracks.

The word "unclean" is only used twice in gneiss, so they did not cover their tracks to well, in rewriting it. It concerns eating animals and the numerical ability of noah to do so, with out loss of species, and the deal that was made. The idea of "unclean" seems to stem from leviticus, and the backwards use of this word is very suspect.

Perhaps you can connect the dots better then I, just pieces of a puzzle. You seem good at puzzles.

Maybe it is a holy book, maybe it's not, but the folks who wrote it meant something you might be able to see now.

Druv said...

Firstly i am do not mean to undermine the fact of the monster that the animal slaughter houses are to the world.

But i noticed that in the beginning of the Video the narrator Joaquin Phoenix seemed to have related the animal slaughter with "Jewish Holocaust".

I would like to point out a little detail about him:

His mother, Arlyn (née Dunetz), was born in the Bronx, New York to Jewish parents whose families emigrated from Russia and Hungary.

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If we actually trace back the ownership of all the slaughter houses and the people who make most of the profit from it, then who are the people making maximum profit from this business?

Who are the people who began whaling and the monstrous slaughter houses in the first place?

We need to go back and break their very foundations if we want this monstrosity to stop completely.

As this video aims to talk about truth but is being used by the Jews as a mind programming trick for their Fraudulent Jewish Holocaust.

Eric Dubay said...

Thanks for the comments Baron and Druv. I haven't really researched what the Bible says about vegetarianism, but you make some interesting points. Jesus teaches compassion towards all. I would think that "thou shalt not kill" should apply to dinner as well. He was supposedly an Essene and they were all vegetarians:

The Essene Gospel of Peace

I noticed that comparison as well Druv. Later in the movie they also showed the Jewish ritual "kosher" murder of cows by turning them upside down before they slit their throats so that it sprays out and into their mouths forcing them to breathe in and choke on their own blood while dying.

Jews Stalin, Trotsky, and Marx are responsible for many times more gentile deaths than the alleged Jewish deaths during Hitler's holocaust. But the Jewish media never mentions such things and just keeps repeating the supposed "6 million" story:

Why the Holocaust Denial?

Druv said...

Muslims have the same method of killing their animals which they called "Halal", slitting a cows throat or of an enemy.

They tend to claim that their method is very "Scientific" to justify their monstrosity.

There is a mosque next to my house and i have seen them kill cows within the confines of the mosque and their blood flow through their drains.

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I am also going to write about the "Fact" that cows and bulls were revered in Celtic Europe before the advent of "Abraham" into the world.

The deity "Mithra" was supposed to be the protector of the bull and not the killer of the Bull which was warped by the Zealot core when they took over Rome.

Hence, it was necessary to kill cows and bulls who used to be revered by the "Gentile, Pagan or Kafirs" of the world.

Like Moses destroyed the Golden bull of Dharma of Egypt where the bull was also revered.

The Tower of babel -

The word babel alone means "Confusion of sounds"

In Sanskrit, the confusion of sounds is......?

Asura/ Demon - the negative wave that restricts the flow of life.

Yes, the Abrahmic religions are the "Asura" religions and they are the our polar opposites. ^_^

And i am here to destroy my dark enemy! =)

Baron Munse said...

Most interesting, you've posted on it. Along those lines, someone is interested in keeping it somewhat pure. The devolution of the document is of interest. The noah story is adapted from a hindu story about a fish and a flood, the idea is the story makes a mathematical sitatution where it's impossible for ol noah to eat any animals. It's interesting this would survive unnoticed for so long in the main stream.

But people are so blind to what they don't want to see. Many intellectually traditions maintain you cannot eat meat, some in china, some in india, some through out the christian world. It's hard not to wonder is this wisdom to throw back to a very old time. Since it seems more ritual, then moral based. The Pythagoreans were big on this... and quite intellectual. Was it them who codified this into the bible, or someone else.

There is very simple symbolism in the bible about drinking blood, lambs, and sacrifice. That I think is relevent if read at the symbolic level. What is shocking is that it would persist so long with out any real recognition. Even though the bible says vegetarianism on page one, christianity is not a vegetarian reiligion. It is strange what people are blind to.

But when looking at the material reasons for diet, looking at the logical reasons, there are also spiritual ones, and religious. Amazing I think, is the alignment of all those schools.

Also thanks for your posts on raw foods, very compelling.

muzuzuzus said...

I cannot watch these things, I just cant. But I want people to see them who can. I am hoping you will do a new post about this Eric http://phoenixaquua.blogspot.com/2011/11/mccruelty-im-hating-it.html
if and when you do I will share it on facebook etc

Druv said...

The noah story is adapted from a hindu story about a fish and a flood.

No, Celtic Civilization was the same as the Vedic Civilization and they were connected in the past.

We had the same knowledge and our history was connected - which was hidden or destroyed by the people of the "Old testament"

As time passed, we lost our power with the birth of the negative energies that took over the world today.

When the Zealots took over "Pagan" Rome, they warped their history and other texts to control the future generations.

Celtic European people Originated from Indus Valley Civilization, and we are the same people separated by time, Ignorance and manipulation by the "Asuras"

Anonymous said...

I think this movie is crap. I am a survivalist, I hunt deer turkey squirrels mushrooms, I fish and I garden to feed myself and family. Should I stop because slaughterhouses exist. I wont eat Tyson chicken I raise my own, should I instead invite the chicken to dinner with me as an equal.
You promote anarchy (as do I) so I just don't know what message you are trying to get across with this "documentary".
Do you disagree with the natural "food chain". Animals eating other animals to survive, should we teach lions the value of a Vegan diet?
Maybe make laws protecting mice from hawks?

Druv said...

I am a survivalist, I hunt deer turkey squirrels mushrooms, I fish and I garden to feed myself and family.

I would say your mind is full-a-crap if you actually consider yourself part of the food chain.

There are many retarded people like you out there, grow a freaking brain cell.

If you don't see the pain and suffering in the video then people like you deserve the same kind of treatment.

May be we should shoot a nail in your brain, hand you upside down and slit your throat and make you chock on your own blood to make you see the level of monstrosity in the video?

Na, you would still be too "Infinitely" retarded to even grasp the concept!

Go bark your crap some where else!

Eric Dubay said...

Should I stop because slaughterhouses exist?

No, you should stop because meat is unhealthy, unsustainable, uncompassionate, and unnatural for human digestion. Omnivores and carnivores have claws, fangs, no molars, no pores, short intestinal tracts, hydrochloric stomach acid, and acidic saliva essential for digesting meat. Humans, like herbivores, have no claws, no fangs, molars for grinding, 4x longer intestinal tracts, 20 times weaker stomach acid, and alkaline saliva ptyalin to pre-digest grains. You are not a natural omnivore and that is why eventually all meat-eaters suffer from chronic degenerative diseases.

"In using comparative anatomy to determine what man was "meant" to eat, we should look at the species most similar to man, namely the anthropoid apes--chimpanzees, gibbons, gorillas, and orangutans. Of all animals, man's digestive organs and teeth most closely resemble these apes. In captivity, some of these animals will eat meat if forced to rather than starve to death. But in the wild, all eat a vegetarian diet."

"Another strong clue that man is naturally a vegetarian is the fact that vegetarians in general are much healthier than omnivores. The American Dietetic Association has acknowledged that vegetarians are less at risk for a number of chronic diseases, including heart disease, some types of cancer, obesity, high blood pressure, and adult-onset diabetes."

"Eating a healthy diet goes far beyond cutting back a bit on red meat. In a recent study of 6,500 Chinese, Dr. T. Collin Campbell of Cornell found that even though the Chinese overall eat only a fraction of the animal protein Americans do, those who ate the least animal protein nonetheless had lower risk of disease than the average Chinese. Dr. Campbell concludes, "We're basically a vegetarian species and should be eating a wide variety of plant foods and minimizing our intake of animal foods." --Glen Kime, president, Vegetarian Society of Washington, D.C.

The American Dietetic Association notes that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian diets."

Eric Dubay said...

You promote anarchy (as do I) so I just don't know what message you are trying to get across with this "documentary".

Yes, I promote anarchy because all governments initiate the use of violence on their populations to get what they want. Hunting and pretending you're a "survivalist" as you called it is simply initiating the use of violence on your local animal population to get what you want from them. You seem to agree with the idea that "might makes right" which is how all governments operate. My message of vegan anarchy is ideologically consistent. Yours is not.

Animals eating other animals to survive, should we teach lions the value of a Vegan diet? Maybe make laws protecting mice from hawks?

Grasping at straws are you? No, we're talking about humans here. No one's asking you to tell a volcano to stop erupting, the oceans to stop waving, or fruit to stop ripening. We're telling YOU, a human, an herbivore/frugivore to cease fantasizing that you're a "survivalist" omnivore/carnivore. You eating hamburg and hotdogs is about as natural as a lion sitting at a dinner table and eating soup with a spoon.

Anonymous said...

Retarted? Really?
Look guys a quick google search will show evidence for either side of this coin. Look at the evidence for humans as omnivores. Some primates kill other animals and relish in eating the flesh. Cows have four stomachs to digest the cellulose which vegetarians struggle with. We (the rest of us) are omnivores and have a right to eat meat if we choose.
Choice.
Its yours to be vegan. Im impressed big whoop. It sounds to me like you and druv are trying to talk down to me from some platform or high horse.
I am an anarchist who knows truly the evils of the industries that rape and torture. Your website is one of my playgrounds, a little respect please.
I think that my philosophy of self sufficiency is why I consider myself a survivalist. Not some romantic idea of a bone collector on safari but the guy who could feed his family with no provisions just knowledge like we used to have.
You guys are really disappointing me with this.

I do believe that if people eat meat they should butcher it themselves or at least see the animal being murdered then butchered then prepared for them to eat. Some may lose the taste for meat altogether. I appreciate the harvest and I hope to die the way I would take a deer.

Anonymous said...

Oh and I never watched the whole movie that type of shit is what's wrong with our world. But not every meat eater is a disgraceful disrespectful glutton with no "freaking brain cells".

Eric Dubay said...

Look guys a quick google search will show evidence for either side of this coin.

The coin of truth only has one side.

Look at the evidence for humans as omnivores. Some primates kill other animals and relish in eating the flesh.

Primates like yourself? Do you "relish" in eating other animal's flesh? Or do you use "relish" to hide the taste of death? A true omnivore like a bear will take a fish out of the water and swallow it whole, uncooked, scales, bones, fins, and everything. When a lion kills an herbivore for food, it tears right into the stomach area to eat the organs that are filled with blood and nutrients. While eating the raw stomach, liver, intestines, etc., the lion laps the blood in the process of eating the dead animal's flesh. They will NOT eat cooked meat. If you're a true omnivore as you claim to be, then catch a fish with your hands, using your non-existent claws, bite into it with your non-existent fangs while it's still alive like every other omnivore, and swallow it skin, bones, and blood... practice what you preach... then put it on YouTube and I'll admit that you're a true "survivalist."

If you have to use technology to kill an animal, then skin it, drain it's blood, pick and choose which meat portions you'll eat, clean it, cook it and season it with vegetarian herbs and spices, then you're NOT an omnivore. You're just a non-compassionate bully parasite with a gun and a flair for hiding the taste of rotting flesh in the kitchen.

Cows have four stomachs to digest the cellulose which vegetarians struggle with.

Meat-eaters have digestion problems like acid reflux and ulcers from their low pH diet; frugivore / herbivores do not. Who are these "struggling" vegetarians you speak of so desperately in need of 3 more stomachs? I've been vegetarian for years which cleared up my acid reflux and now my digestion and elimination is top-notch and I feel energized and the healthiest I've ever been. I never get sick, never take medicine, and never see a doctor, but apparently I'd better look into "stomach augmentation" surgery so I can be more bovine.

Eric Dubay said...

We (the rest of us) are omnivores and have a right to eat meat if we choose.

Do I have the right to eat YOU if I choose? If I decide I want to have you for dinner, will you plank across my table while I stab you to death? Or will you run away, frightened like every other sentient animal that doesn't want to be your dinner? It is absolutely NOT "your right to eat meat if you choose." But it is the right of every sentient creature to live it's life free from your "survivalist" murder.

It sounds to me like you and druv are trying to talk down to me from some platform or high horse. I am an anarchist who knows truly the evils of the industries that rape and torture. Your website is one of my playgrounds, a little respect please.

Like the respect you show our animal friends? It only sounds like we're talking down to you because you murder our innocent, defenseless friends and eat them. Engaging in immoral behavior tends to make people feel inferior to those who don't. Do you have a pet? Would you mind if I murdered it and ate it? A little respect please.

I think that my philosophy of self sufficiency is why I consider myself a survivalist. Not some romantic idea of a bone collector on safari but the guy who could feed his family with no provisions just knowledge like we used to have.

A true survivalist would plant as many seeds as possible and grow enough food for his family, his neighborhood, and all the local wildlife as well. A true survivalist would store massive amounts of clean water and seeds to last through any situation. A true survivalist has a knowledge of wild plants and edibles so that they can survive on the abundance of "weeds" that grow everywhere:

Wild Free Food and Medicine

A true survivalist would realize that hunting is an unsustainable, unhealthy, unnatural, uncompassionate activity and not something to be proud of.

I appreciate the harvest and I hope to die the way I would take a deer.

I hope so too. Come back when you grow a heart.

Anonymous said...

"Oh I'm a vegan so you have to be too." Get a life. Does a lion ask a gazelle's permission? No. A lion would eat your ass if it were hungry. If you want to pretend you are not part of the food chain turn your back on a tiger. One less vegan and my point is made.
Unprotected anything is vulnerable to a predator you all should know that. Animals use cunning, shyness, sense of smell, hearing and some animals even use technology. http://www.livescience.com/9761-10-animals-tools.html
Your buckets carry no water my friends. We all end up as somethings dinner sometime. It is naive to think world suffering could end with veganism.
I do not take more than I need. Some humans do and you should concentrate your efforts on that. Not the suffering a field mouse feels being picked apart by a barn owl.
Were native americans so stupid also? How about the Eskimo tribes that eat little to no vegetables surviving on blubber and whale meat. True omnivores utilize the whole harvest "rooter to the tooter". And when you eat nutrient dense food you don't get nutrient deficiencies or disease as most call it. I have not seen a doctor in years and am in very good health, movements are great too. Eating my salad last at dinner let's my stomach know turn off the acid, no more acid reflux.
Meat should be the smallest portion on the dinner plate, assuming you don't graze (how an ass would) in a field.
But my whole point is if I don't take more than I need the amount of meat it takes to feed my family ofwith a wife and 3 children is sustainable and healthy. Especially considering the amounts of wild and gardened vegetables fruits greens and roots that we also consume.
You have no right to tell me how to live unless it violates your rights somehow. That being said you could see how big my heart is if you tried to eat my dogs. If you wanted to eat me for dinner and could I guess I would have little say or feeling about it, and the sun would still rise and fall ying and yang.

Anonymous said...

Oh and I only use guns to protect myself, I use a bow and arrow and also spear. Primitive weapons.

Eric Dubay said...

"Oh I'm a vegan so you have to be too." Get a life.

"Save a life" is more like it. Save many lives every day actually. No mother cow needs to be enslaved and artificially inseminated to produce mammary excretions for my breakfast cereal. No chickens need to worry about me eating up their menstrual cycles. No pigs need to worry about me makin' bacon out of them. The average non-vegetarian is responsible for the deaths of over 25,000 animals in their lifetime just because they enjoy the taste.

It is naive to think world suffering could end with veganism.

It's naive to think world suffering isn't drastically reduced by veganism. In many provinces in India everyone is vegetarian! No animals suffer from misuse, abuse, and murder, and no humans suffer from the wide range of meat-related illnesses.

I do not take more than I need. Some humans do and you should concentrate your efforts on that.

Yes you do take more than you need. Every glass of milk you drink was meant for a newborn calf, not an adult human. Every piece of flesh you consume is "more than you need," because you don't need any to survive and thrive.

How about the Eskimo tribes that eat little to no vegetables surviving on blubber and whale meat.

Yeah how about them? They're all over-weight, out of shape, and die young. Show me a fit old Eskimo. I can show you plenty of fit old vegans.

Eating my salad last at dinner let's my stomach know turn off the acid, no more acid reflux. Meat should be the smallest portion on the dinner plate

Correct, it should be so small that you can't see it. It should be so small that it's non-existent, then your stomach really knows to turn off the acid. I'm glad you acknowledge the benefits of your salad, but you refuse to acknowledge the fact that meat has no health benefits. I can type you a list of diseases that are exclusive to flesh-eaters and you can't tell me one single disease exclusive to vegans. Because there isn't one. Veganism is healthy and how humans are meant to eat.

You have no right to tell me how to live unless it violates your rights somehow.

You're violating the rights of innocent, defenseless creatures but your speciesist mentality can't comprehend that. I'm speaking up for animals who can't speak up for themselves. Actually they do speak up - they cry, scream, and run away from you terrified for their lives like any sentient creature when you try to murder them. But since they don't speak English you deny that they are sovereign conscious beings worthy of love and respect.

That being said you could see how big my heart is if you tried to eat my dogs.

And here is the apex of your selfish hypocritical mentality. You claim to have a "big heart" and you'd apparently stand up for your dogs if I tried to murder them, but when it comes to chickens, cows, pigs, deer and other animals, they're off your love-list. You would gladly kill those animals to feed your dogs. You would gladly kill those animals to feed your family. Since you don't own those wild animals, your "big heart" doesn't extend to them! Your big selfish hypocritical heart stands up for those beings whom you consider "yours" meanwhile you shamelessly murder and eat other animals that you don't consider "yours."

Anonymous said...

I agree milk is for infant mammals only. No other species drinks it past then except humans. But humans can digest meat, give a true herbivore meat. They lack the digestive acids necessary. Our stomach acid our gastric enzymes are composed of hydrochloric acid, ph between 1 and 2. Cholesterol is produced naturally by the body to protect itself from digestive acids and not all of it is bad. Tortured and stressed comercial meat products are disgusting. Nitrates msg and other preservatives associated with meat are more the causes of the health problems you mention. Not fresh wild delicious meat hold the relish I'll have mine rare.
And how will you rehabilitate all other sentient beings that dine on animal flesh? Some NWO laws giving animals the rights of humans. Or should we be reasonable and start with something we can agree on (omnivores an vegans) and boycotting big meat producers with no respect for balance.
To live out of balance is to go against the one universal law, balance. In my humble opinion to be totally vegan is out of balance. Maybe that's why you don't get what I'm trying to say. Just because I eat meat that I harvest, that's been free loading out of my garden does not make me blind or unhealthy.

Also just read your thrive article and agree mostly with your points. I never saw that poster before how revealing,) (covers one eye).

Just don't tell me how to live my life!

Eric Dubay said...

But humans can digest meat, give a true herbivore meat. They lack the digestive acids necessary.

Humans also lack the digestive acids necessary. As I already mentioned, true omnivores and carnivores have stomach acid 20 times stronger than us! And colons 4 times shorter!

Cholesterol is produced naturally by the body to protect itself from digestive acids and not all of it is bad.

Correct, that is the "good" cholesterol that you hear about. What is the sole source of "bad" cholesterol? Animal protein. Fact.

Tortured and stressed comercial meat products are disgusting.

So is murdering wild animals, hypocrite.

Nitrates msg and other preservatives associated with meat are more the causes of the health problems you mention.

Nitrates, MSG, and preservatives are unhealthy in their own right, but organic meat is still just as acidic, fattening, cholesterol-laden, intestinal and lymph clogging as factory meat.

And how will you rehabilitate all other sentient beings that dine on animal flesh?

You keep saying this. Not me. Lions are designed to eat wildebeests. You are designed to eat fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds. What lions are doing is natural. What you're doing is not.

In my humble opinion to be totally vegan is out of balance.

I love this one. What amount of animal flesh and excretions do humans need for "balance" oh humble wise one? What is this delicate balance you're hoping to achieve and where's your evidence that you need any at all?

Just don't tell me how to live my life!

Go away then! Nobody's forcing you to keep coming back here. And as long as you do, I'm going to call you an unintelligent, uncompassionate, selfish, hypocritcal, egoistic murderer. Your last post proved that you do NOT have a big heart, you simply have a big ego. If you had a big heart it would extend to all creatures. Instead you only care about your dogs and your family.

Anonymous said...

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/diet-myths-are-the-inuit-healthy.html
Meat doesn't decide health, processed foods and preservatives (which aren't in organic fruits and veggies) cause the health problems you are trying to associate with eating meat. Not all meat is equal. I would quickly turn vegan if all that was available to me were supermarket meat. You just don't want to acknowledge being part of the food chain. Did you know plants resonate unique frequencies. So they have the same rights as animals then. They are sentient by definition and you can no more read a plants mind then a piece of sushi's. After the suffering is over so is life.

Anonymous said...

Is that a bulls head on the movie poster? Is this a big budget movie? Is it overselling an agenda? Why are you so defensive to this philosophy? I question peoples motives. Truth is self evident and like I said before there is evidence for humans as omnivores you can't ignore without being ignorant.

http://letthemeatmeat.com/post/430287173/are-humans-carnivores-omnivores-or-herbivores

Eric Dubay said...

Your Eskimo link just proves my point stating that:

Inuit Greenlanders, who historically have had limited access to fruits and vegetables, have the worst longevity statistics in North America. Research from the past and present shows that they die on the average about 10 years younger and have a higher rate of cancer than the overall Canadian population. We now know that greatly increasing the consumption of vegetables, legumes, fruits, and raw nuts and seeds (and greatly decreasing the consumption of animal products) offers profound increased longevity potential, due in large part to broad symphony of life-extending phytochemical nutrients that a vegetable-based diet contains. By taking advantage of the year-round availability of high-quality plant foods, we have a unique opportunity to live both healthier and longer than ever before in human history.

Your other blog link is just a bunch of fluff and doesn't offer any objective evidence that humans are omnivores or that meat is healthy.

Did you know plants resonate unique frequencies. So they have the same rights as animals then. They are sentient by definition and you can no more read a plants mind then a piece of sushi's.

Plants don't scream, cry, and run away from me when I pick them. Plants don't have mothers that grieve when their children are murdered. Plants don't have eyes for seeing, ears for hearing, noses for smelling, brains for thinking, nervous systems for feeling or feet for running. Fruits and vegetables constantly replenish themselves and continue the process of life. Killing an animal to eat its corpse ends the process of life. You're comparing apples to oranges (actually apples to corpses). I love it when flesh-eaters get so desperate they resort to the ridiculous "plants are alive tooooo" argument.

Anonymous said...

Eric, great site . Very informative. Your hearts in the right place, and you have a keen, honest mind and spirit. Factory farming is obviously wrong, and has never been advocated by ethical ominivores that appreciate Dr.Weston.A.Price's discoveries about nutrition. Interesting reading...Please Google "anthony colpo china study" and "beyondveg.com"
Kind Regards, Harry.

Druv said...

I do believe that if people eat meat they should butcher it themselves or at least see the animal being murdered then butchered then prepared for them to eat. Some may lose the taste for meat altogether. I appreciate the harvest and I hope to die the way I would take a deer.

Ok, ill come "Harvest" you.

How would you like to die?

A bullet or an arrow through the ass?

( jk, i am a vegetarian ^_^ )

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If such people use the idiotic excuse that "Plants are alive", then they (plants) are not supposed to be cut down thoughtlessly.

Only items from the branches are supposed to be taken so the tree or plant keeps growing.

Without plants, there is no life.

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Thanks Eric, for silencing his selfishness!

Anonymous said...

On the contrary druv. I have made extremely valid points that have not been addressed. I've had a few people read this debate that's been going on here and the consensus is Eric is cherry picking info. I will continue to eat meat as I see fit, you granolas can try to stop me if you wish.
Have you ever tried to ice skate uphill?
Best wishes.
Even for my next wild harvest.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTKPcuwOOGqY&v=TKPcuwOOGqY&gl=US
Cool doc about dirt. We are all food sometime.

Anonymous said...

there is a sanskrit mantra when an animal is sacrificed, recited into its ear: " You are giving your life, so in your next life you will get the opportunity of becoming a human being. And I who am now killing you will become an animal, and you will kill me."

Here's a solution I read to giving meat eaters their meat without having to kill anything, recommended by A.C. Bhaktivendanta Swami Prabhupada: "Why should you kill the cow? Let the cow be protected. You can take the cow's milk and use this milk for making so many delicious preparations... As far as meat-eating is concerned, every cow will die --- so you just wait a while, and there will be so many dead cows. Then you can take all the dead cows and eat."
Sounds gross, but i guess it's no different than killing a cow and feasting on its dead carcass.

Druv said...

"I will continue to eat meat as I see fit"

Monsters like you will get what you deserve one day, you will die a much horrid way for every life you take

"there is a sanskrit mantra when an animal is sacrificed, recited into its ear: "

Is that so, you dirty freak?

Why dont you write that mantra here if you know it?

Please do speak as many lies as you can, because it will only give me more power to destroy you in return.

Please make me more powerful with uttering your lies!

Anonymous said...

I am a meat eater. My mother and younger sister were both vegetarians.Both died of Cancer. My father and I both eat meat and have outlived both. How can you state that vegetarians can live longer when 2/5 of our family died?

Eric Dubay said...

Your case study involving 5 people doesn't prove anything. Google "the China Study" to see a case study of the largest population in the world. Many things can cause cancer as well, cell phones, microwaves, deodorants, chemical cleansers/lotions/cosmetics etc. Not to mention just cutting out meat isn't enough to eliminate cancers. If they were still drinking coke, pepsi and milk, eating chips, candy, cheese and other junk foods, simply cutting out meat isn't enough. Also they probably weren't vegetarian their whole lives. Sorry to hear about your loss, but keep researching and you'll find no amount of flesh-eating is necessary or healthy for human diet. See the following:

TheChinaStudy.com

PCRM.org

Cat said...

I've been watching Earthlings for the first time today; though it's not the first time that I've questioned my meat-eating ways.

The description of other animals as 'nations' really struck a chord with me. I would argue (although in a less bigoted way than the anonymous poster above), that nations eating other nations surely provides enough of an argument to say that it's OK for people to eat meat. But scientific evidence does suggest that we're not meant for this. I think I'm at a standstill there because I've eaten meat my entire life.

Other species have been hunted by humans for hundreds of years, for food and for materials made from the skins and bones. What I have found curious about some of my friends who are vegans, is that they will buy leather products. Shouldn't it be all or nothing?

This is intended to be an unoffensive post; I am looking for opinions, and not to be smote for being brought up with meat my entire life! I would like to be a vegan, though I am unsure of any specific 'requirements'.

Eric Dubay said...

Hey Cat, thanks for your message, glad to hear you're starting to question these things! As for your question "shouldn't it be all or nothing?" I say an emphatic No! Do you eat all corpses, or just some corpses? Do you eat dog, cat, rat and bat or just chicken, pig, cow and fish? Shouldn't it be all or nothing? :)

For another example, imagine I own 1 leather jacket but I eat vegan my entire life. Compare this to a non-vegan who owns 0 leather jackets. The average meat-eater will eat over 25,000 animals in their lifetime. Therefore the vegan with 1 leather jacket is responsible for 1 animal death, but the meat-eater without a leather jacket is responsible for 25,000. So to say "shouldn't it be all or nothing?" is to suggest killing 1 animal is equal to killing 25,000. I would have to disagree, and say even going a couple days or one day a week without meat is well-worth it! Most everyone including myself had to transition into this vegan lifestyle. It's not about "all or nothing," it's about consistently making better and better choices.

Congratulations on potentially going vegan soon :) For more info and inspiration check out these other 18 articles I've written/compiled on the subject:

Veganism

Skylark said...

I can't watch this disturbing movie. It breaks my heart, I know I've seen parts of it and others like it. Animal eating and sacrifice are a part of our history, that of what we are taught. The norm of society is to suppress these other species considered food with no thought for their consciousness. What we do to the other species we do to ourselves, to digest through our bodies and minds, and to suffer in ways unknown but likely worked through with our dispassionate dreams.

On a general note, I find it peculiar that vegan, and non animal eaters are ridiculed more than meat eaters. There is a false front in this to promulgate a species divide. There is an unnamed prejudice that creates a ridiculous perception of the divide of species. As MLK says, it is a ridiculous idea that specific animals or any specific species be treated in a poor manner, degraded and slaughtered with mindless abandon. But we as a species do it to others. The politics may explain that it is the most convenient and economically viable food source. That lacks higher thought. Maybe the vision of Peter in "The Acts" of the Bible seeing the heavens open with animals aloft and then roughly translated "They're yours. Eat," has value when the meal is received in a state of grace as precious and with thankfulness. The American Indian's and other's did as much. Again, though, these cultures never developed slaughterhouses or factory farms.

I'm no expert, other than I consider myself a happy eater who for the most part eats responsibly. A diet close to life helps to stay in touch with the life in the body. Eating fresh anything has value and a natural appeal. Fresh food can only be received for eating within a state of grace because it takes special preparation, recognizing where it came from and making sure it is eaten in the right way at the right time when it is most fresh. This explains how fresh fruits and vegetables help heal. Fresh grains stabilize and energize. These things have some if not a large part of their life still in them. They're still living. Fresh meat, on the other hand, is defined as dead animal or fish. Meat was something with eyes that saw death. That’s the challenge of eating meat. A food that saw its life flash before its eyes and dies, looses it's freshness and resembles death through decay. I'm not surprised really by the cannibalisms of those who hacked off and ate parts of unfortunate tribal neighbors and visitors as described in the book Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad or the likeliness of denigrate beings or secret sect members that eat live creatures and drink their blood, to avoid "tasting" death. Their meal has a relish for the terror, and the adrenaline laced texture, while alive. The Christians albeit in a ceremoniously gracious way share bread and wine to eat the body and drink the blood and never taste death.

The man Jesus, I've also heard it said and read, as also mentioned earlier here, was thought to be an Essene and they were known to be vegan. On one occasion, he sought to get away from crowds and they followed him to a remote place. Everyone started to get hungry. Being compassionate, he took the two loaves of bread and five fish or so, and after giving thanks, remember this helps in the preparation of fresh food, broke the loaves and gave them to his disciples. He was gracious with food. The story goes that the disciples broke off bits and pieces for a crowd of 4,000 or 5,000 to eat fresh bread and fresh fish. He and the Essene group were clearly compassionate and in touch with a higher consciousness. This famous miracle story brings graciousness in the equation of finding fulfilling food. Yeah, this movie lacks that grace. I can tell without watching it. The movie seems to beg for the amazing attitude of thankfulness that gives us the most gracious intent in choosing what to eat.

Half Navajo said...

I don't think vegan is the answer, but vegetarian on the other is. I know I will be raising a couple goats in the future for fresh raw goat milk. Most vegans make it as long as meat eaters... vegetarians who include milk and eggs live the longest. This is a great interview, and reasons why not to go vegan. I have known and have many friends in Portland who are vegan... and their health is fine for a few years, then they start looking like crap... get fat, anxiety, and agitated easily.

http://chetday.com/rawfooddietnazariah.htm

Anonymous said...

Thanks Eric Dubay! I've decided to change my diet and no longer eat meat. Not only because it's cruel to kill animals, but it's extremely unhealthy to eat meat in the first place. It seems like everywhere I look, the evidence is overwhelming that it IS bad for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfsT-qYeqGM

Eric Dubay said...

Hey, glad to hear you're going vegetarian Anon! I agree for the most part with the article Half Navajo. The vegetarian step is the most important. I have found that a high-raw, high-carb, low-fat vegetarian diet is what works best for me. Similar to what was recommended in the article, I eat lots of raw fruits and veg, some cooked rice, potatoes, and veg, sparingly pastas, breads, nuts and seeds, and once in a great while I'll have something with dairy/egg in it. I have done 100% raw vegan for extended periods of time and felt quite good, but over time it gets boring, difficult to eat socially, expensive, and smashing in enough calories to stay energized all the time is easier said than done. In India where cows are worshiped they are given daily massages and treated very well, the calves drink all the milk they need and only then will the farmers take some left-over milk for their families. When treated this way I think dairy is an acceptable ethical option, it's the factory farming methods that are cruel and inexcusable. Peace!

Half Navajo said...

well that is good... obviously we all know about factory farming here, so you should quit bring it up! Milk and cheese is good. You haven't been a vegan long enough to have a conclusion... so please quit pushing the lifestyle. I have done every diet in the book... extreme diets always fail. High carb, vegan, 30 bananas a day, is a dead end... get some goat milk, or some cheese...

Eric Dubay said...

No, we don't all know about factory farming, but I'm glad that's starting to change. And I'm not going to "quit pushing the lifestyle" (by which you mean blogging about it?) as I wish to stand up and speak out for the animals and see a vegetarian world. I also know that a high-raw, high-carb, low-fat vegetarian/vegan diet is the healthiest and want to see a healthier world. High carb, vegan and 30bananasaday are not "dead-ends" either, I support all 3 of those. I don't support high fat or non-vegetarian though, those are bad for you and the animals.