Monday, March 28, 2016

The South Pole Does Not Exist!

In the Flat-Earth model of the cosmos, the North Pole is the immovable center of the world and the entire universe.  Polaris, the North Star, sits straight over the North Pole at the highest point in the heavens, and like a slowly rotating planetarium dome all the celestial bodies revolve around Polaris and over the Earth once per day.  The Sun circles over and around the circumference of Earth every 24 hours, steadily traveling each day from the equator during the March vernal equinox, up to the Tropic of Cancer at the June summer solstice, back down to the equator for the September autumnal equinox, and all the way down to the Tropic of Capricorn on the December winter solstice.  

In the Flat-Earth model, the South Pole does not exist at all and Antarctica is instead a gigantic ice-wall extending the circumference of Earth holding in the oceans like a giant bowl, or a “world cup.”  As strange as this concept may sound at first, it is a fact that if you set a bearing due South from anywhere on Earth, inevitably at or before 78 degrees Southern latitude, you will find yourself face-to-face with an enormous ice-wall towering 100-200 feet in the air extending to the East and West the entire circumference of the world!

The ice-barrier, so frequently referred to in accounts of the Antarctic regions, is the fore-front of the enormous glacier-covering, or ice-cap, which, accumulating in vast, undulating fields from the heavy snowfall, and ultimately attaining hundreds, if not thousands, of feet in thickness, creeps from the continent of Antarctica into the polar sea. The ice-barrier, yet a part of the parent ice-cap, presents itself to the navigator who has boldness enough to approach its fearful front, as a solid, perpendicular wall of marble-like ice, ranging from one thousand to two thousand feet in thickness, of which from one hundred to two hundred feet rises above, and from eight hundred to eighteen hundred feet sinks below, the level of the sea."  -Greely, General A. W. "Antarctica, or the Hypothetical Southern Continent." Cosmopolitan 17 (1894): p. 296

It has been demonstrated that the earth is a plane, the surface-centre of which is immediately underneath the star called ‘Polaris,’ and the extremities of which are bounded by a vast region of ice and water and irregular masses of land.  The whole terminates in fog and darkness, where snow and driving hail, piercing sleet and boisterous winds, howling storms, madly-mounting waves, and clashing icebergs are almost constant.  -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (117)

Antarctica is not the tiny “ice-continent” found confined to the underside antipode of astronomer’s globes.  Quite the contrary, Antarctica literally surrounds us 360 degrees, encircles every continent, and acts as a barrier holding in the oceans.  The most commonly asked questions, and the greatest mysteries yet to be solved are: how far does the Antarctic ice extend outwards?  Is there a limit?  What lies beyond, or is it just snow and ice forever?  Thanks to U.N. treaties and constant military surveillance, the North Pole and Antarctica remain cloaked in government secrecy, both purported “no-fly/no-sail” zones, with several reports of civilian pilots and captains being shooed away and escorted back under threat of violence.

How far the ice extends; how it terminates; and what exists beyond it, are questions to which no present human experience can reply. All we at present know is, that snow and hail, howling winds, and indescribable storms and hurricanes prevail; and that in every direction ‘human ingress is barred by unsealed escarpments of perpetual ice,’ extending farther than eye or telescope can penetrate, and becoming lost in gloom and darkness.”  -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (91)

Before reaching the Antarctic ice-wall, navigating the increasingly tumultuous Southern oceans, explorers encounter the longest, darkest, coldest nights and the most dangerous seas and storms anywhere on Earth.  Vasco de Gama, an early 16th century Portuguese explorer of the South Seas wrote how, “The waves rise like mountains in height; ships are heaved up to the clouds, and apparently precipitated by circling whirlpools to the bed of the ocean.  The winds are piercing cold, and so boisterous that the pilot’s voice can seldom be heard, whilst a dismal and almost continual darkness adds greatly to the danger.”

In 1773 Captain Cook became the first modern explorer known to have breached the Antarctic Circle and reached the ice barrier.  During three voyages, lasting three years and eight days, Captain Cook and crew sailed a total of 60,000 miles along the Antarctic coastline never once finding an inlet or path through or beyond the massive glacial wall!  Captain Cook wrote: “The ice extended east and west far beyond the reach of our sight, while the southern half of the horizon was illuminated by rays of light which were reflected from the ice to a considerable height.  It was indeed my opinion that this ice extends quite to the pole, or perhaps joins some land to which it has been fixed since creation.”

On October 5th, 1839 another explorer, James Clark Ross began a series of Antarctic voyages lasting a total of 4 years and 5 months.  Ross and his crew sailed two heavily armored warships thousands of miles, losing many men from hurricanes and icebergs, looking for an entry point beyond the southern glacial wall.  Upon first confronting the massive barrier Captain Ross wrote of the wall, “extending from its eastern extreme point as far as the eye could discern to the eastward.  It presented an extraordinary appearance, gradually increasing in height, as we got nearer to it, and proving at length to be a perpendicular cliff of ice, between one hundred and fifty feet and two hundred feet above the level of the sea, perfectly flat and level at the top, and without any fissures or promontories on its even seaward face.  We might with equal chance of success try to sail through the cliffs of Dover, as to penetrate such a mass.”

Yes, but we can circumnavigate the South easily enough,’ is often said by those who don't know, The British Ship Challenger recently completed the circuit of the Southern region - indirectly, to be sure - but she was three years about it, and traversed nearly 69,000 miles - a stretch long enough to have taken her six times round on the globular hypothesis.”  -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (78)

If we now consider the fact that when we travel by land or sea, and from any part of the known world, in a direction towards the North polar star, we shall arrive at one and the same point, we are forced to the conclusion that what has hitherto been called the North Polar region, is really the center of the Earth.  That from this northern center the land diverges and stretches out, of necessity, towards a circumference, which must now be called the Southern region: which is a vast circle, and not a pole or center … In this and other ways all the great navigators have been frustrated in their efforts, and have been more or less confounded in their attempts to sail round the Earth upon or beyond the Antarctic circle.  But if the southern region is a pole or center, like the north, there would be little difficulty in circumnavigating it, for the distance round would be comparatively small.  When it is seen that the Earth is not a sphere, but a plane, having only one center, the north; and that the south is the vast icy boundary of the world, the difficulties experienced by circumnavigators can be easily understood.  -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (21-23)

If the Earth were truly a globe, then every line of latitude South of the equator would have to measure a gradually smaller and smaller circumference the farther South traveled.  In other words, the circumference at 10 degrees South latitude would comprise a smaller circle than at the equator, 20 degrees South latitude would comprise a circle smaller than 10, and so on.  If, however, the Earth is an extended plane, then every line of latitude South of the equator should measure a gradually larger and larger circumference the farther South traveled.  10 degrees South latitude will comprise a larger circle than the equator, 20 degrees South latitude will comprise a circle larger than 10, and so on.  Likewise, if the Earth were a globe, lines of longitude would bubble out at the equator while converging at both poles.  Whereas if the Earth is an extended plane, lines of longitude should simply expand straight outwards from the North Pole.  So which is actually the case?

Upon the principle, as taught by Scripture and common observation, that the world is not a Planet, but consists of vast masses of land stretched out upon level seas, the North being the centre of the system, it is evident that the degrees of longitude will gradually increase in width the whole way from the North centre to the icy boundary of the great Southern Circumference. In consequence of the difference between the actual extent of longitudes and that allowed for them by the Nautical Authorities, which difference, at the latitude of the Cape of Good Hope, has been estimated to amount to a great number of miles, many Ship-masters have lost their reckoning, and many vessels have been wrecked.  Ship-captains, who have been educated in the globular theory, know not how to account for their getting so much out of their course in Southern latitudes, and generally put it down to currents; but this reason is futile, for although currents may exist, they do not usually run in opposite directions, and vessels are frequently wrecked, whether sailing East or West.  -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (102)

During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, some days as much as 29 miles.  Lieutenant Charles Wilkes commanded a United States Navy exploration expedition to the Antarctic from August 18th, 1838 to June 10th, 1842, almost four years spent “exploring and surveying the Southern ocean.”  In his journals Lieutenant Wilkes also mentioned being consistently east of his reckoning, sometimes over 20 miles in less than 18 hours.

The commanders of these various expeditions were, of course, with their education and belief in the earth's rotundity, unable to conceive of any other cause for the differences between log and chronometer results than the existence of currents. But one simple fact is entirely fatal to such an explanation, viz., that when the route taken is east or west the same results are experienced.  The water of the southern region cannot be running in two opposite directions at the same time; and hence, although various local and variable currents have been noticed, they cannot be shown to be the cause of the discrepancies so generally observed in high southern latitudes between time and log results.  The conclusion is one of necessity, forced upon us by the sum of the evidence collected that the degrees of longitude in any given southern latitude are larger than the degrees in any latitude nearer to the northern center; thus proving the already more than sufficiently demonstrated fact that the earth is a plane, having a northern center, in relation to which degrees of latitude are concentric, and from which degrees of longitude are diverging lines, continually increasing in their distance from each other as they are prolonged towards the great glacial southern circumference.  -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe!”  (261)

February 11th, 1822, at noon, in latitude 65.53. S. our chronometers gave 44 miles more westing than the log in three days. On 22nd of April (1822), in latitude 54.16. S. our longitude by chronometers was 46.49, and by D.R. (dead reckoning) 47° 11´: On 2nd May (1822), at noon, in latitude 53.46. S., our longitude by chronometers was 59° 27´, and by D.R. 61° 6´. October 14th, in latitude 58.6, longitude by chronometers 62° 46´, by account 65° 24´. In latitude 59.7. S., longitude by chronometers was 63° 28´, by account 66° 42´. In latitude 61.49. S., longitude by chronometers was 61° 53´, by account 66° 38´.  -Captain James Weddell, “Voyages Towards the South Pole”

In the southern hemisphere, navigators to India have often fancied themselves east of the Cape when still west, and have been driven ashore on the African coast, which, according to their reckoning, lay behind them.  This misfortune happened to a fine frigate, the Challenger, in 1845.  How came Her Majesty’s Ship ‘Conqueror,’ to be lost?  How have so many other noble vessels, perfectly sound, perfectly manned, perfectly navigated, been wrecked in calm weather, not only in dark night, or in a fog, but in broad daylight and sunshine - in the former case upon the coasts, in the latter, upon sunken rocks - from being ‘out of reckoning,’ under circumstances which until now, have baffled every satisfactory explanation.”  -Rev. Thomas Milner, “Tour Through Creation”

The equatorial circumference of the supposed ball-Earth is said to be 24,900 statute or 21,600 nautical miles.  A nautical mile is the distance, following the supposed curvature of the Earth, from one minute of latitude to the next.  A statue mile is the straight line distance between the two, not taking into account Earth’s alleged curvature.

The “Australian Handbook, Almanack, Shippers’ and Importers’ Directory” states that the distance between Sydney and Nelson is 1400 nautical or 1633 statute miles.  Allowing a more than sufficient 83 miles as the distance for rounding Cape Farewell and sailing up Tasman Bay to Nelson leaves 1550 statute miles as the straight-line distance from the meridian of Sydney to the meridian of Nelson.  Their given difference in longitude is 22 degrees 2’14”.  Therefore if 22 degrees 2’14” out of 360 is 1550 miles, the entirety measures 25,182 miles.  This is larger than the Earth is said to be at the equator, and 4262 miles greater than it would be at Sydney’s southern latitude on a globe of said proportions!  One 360th part of 25,182 gives 70 miles as the distance between each degree of longitude at Sydney’s 34 degree Southern latitude.  On a globe 25,000 miles in equatorial circumference, however, degrees of longitude at 34 degrees latitude would be only 58 miles, a full 12 miles per degree less than reality.  This perfectly explains why Ross and other navigators in the deep South experienced 12+ mile daily discrepancies between their reckoning and reality, the farther South traveled the farther the divide.

From near Cape Horn, Chile to Port Philip in Melbourne, Australia the distance is 9,000 miles.  These two places are 143 degrees of longitude from each other.  Therefore the whole extent of the Earth’s circumference is a mere arithmetical question.  If 143 degrees make 9,000 miles, what will be the distance made by the whole 360 degrees into which the surface is divided?  The answer is, 22,657 miles; or, 8357 miles more than the theory of rotundity would permit.  It must be borne in mind, however, that the above distances are nautical measure, which, reduced to statute miles, gives the actual distance round the Southern region at a given latitude as 26,433 statute miles; or nearly 1,500 miles more than the largest circumference ever assigned to the Earth at the equator.”  -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (52)

Similar calculations made from the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa to Melbourne, Australia at an average latitude of 35.5 degrees South, have given an approximate figure of over 25,000 miles, which is again equal to or greater than the Earth’s supposed greatest circumference at the equator.  Calculations from Sydney, Australia to Wellington, New Zealand at an average of 37.5 degrees South have given an approximate circumference of 25,500 miles, greater still!  According to the ball-Earth theory, the circumference of the Earth at 37.5 degrees Southern latitude should be only 19,757 statute miles, almost six thousand miles less than such practical measurements.

The above calculations are, as already stated, only proximate; but as liberal allowances have been made for irregularities of route, etc., they are sufficiently accurate to prove that the degrees of longitude, as we proceed south-wards, do not diminish, as they would upon a globe, but expand or increase, as they must if the earth is a plane; or, in other words, the farthest point, or greatest latitude south, must have the greatest circumference and degrees of longitude.”  -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe!” (258)

Parallels of latitude only - of all imaginary lines on the surface of the Earth - are circles, which increase, progressively, from the northern centre to the southern circumference. The mariner's course in the direction of any one of these concentric circles is his longitude, the degrees of which INCREASE to such an extent beyond the equator (going southwards) that hundreds of vessels have been wrecked because of the false idea created by the untruthfulness of the charts and the globular theory together, causing the sailor to be continually getting out of his reckoning. With a map of the Earth in its true form all difficulty is done away with, and ships may be conducted anywhere with perfect safety. This, then, is a very important practical proof that the Earth is not a globe.”  -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (14)

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Eric Dubay said...

Flat Earth Podcast with Eric Dubay and Mark Knight

There is much more important information about the non-existence of the South Pole starting at 36:00 in the above podcast as well.

Rose said...

One thing I don't understand is if the earth is flat and the sun orbits it, then how do you account for the seasons as well as day and night, if there is no rotation plus revolving?

Steed said...

And a sunset is...?

Eric Dubay said...

The Sun and Moon luminaries revolve around the Earth once every 24 hours illuminating like spotlights the areas over which they pass. The Sun’s annual journey from tropic to tropic, solstice to solstice, is what determines the length and character of days, nights and seasons. This is why equatorial regions experience almost year-round summer and heat while higher latitudes North and especially South experience more distinct seasons with harsh winters. The heliocentric model claims seasons change based on the ball-Earth’s alleged “axial tilt” and “elliptical orbit” around the Sun. Their flawed current model even places us closest to the Sun (91,400,000 miles) in January when its actually winter, and farthest from the Sun (94,500,000 miles) in July when its actually summer throughout much of the Earth. They say due to the ball-Earth’s tilt, different places receive different amounts of direct sunlight and that is what produces the seasonal and temperature changes. This makes little sense, however, because if the Sun’s heat travels over ninety million miles to reach the ball-Earth, how could a slight tilt, a mere few thousand miles maximum, negate the Sun’s ninety million mile journey, giving us simultaneous tropical summers and Antarctic winters?

“The earth is a stretched-out structure, which diverges from the central north in all directions towards the south. The equator, being midway between the north center and the southern circumference, divides the course of the sun into north and south declination. The longest circle round the world which the sun makes, is when it has reached its greatest southern declination. Gradually going northwards the circle is contracted. In about three months after the southern extremity of its path has been reached, the sun makes a circle round the equator. Still pursuing a northerly course as it goes round and above the world, in another three months the greatest northern declination is reached, when the sun again begins to go towards the south. In north latitudes, when the sun is going north, it rises earlier each day, is higher at noon and sets later; while in southern latitudes at the same time, the sun as a matter of course rises later, reaches a lesser altitude at noon and sets earlier. In northern latitudes during the southern summer, say from September to December, the sun rises later each day, is lower at noon and sets earlier; while in the south he rises earlier, reaches a higher altitude at noon, and sets later each day. This movement round the earth daily is the cause of the alternations of day and night; while his northerly and southerly courses produce the seasons. When the sun is south of the equator it is summer in the south and winter in the north; and vice versa. The fact of the alternation of the seasons flatly contradicts the Newtonian delusion that the earth revolves in an orbit round the sun. It is said that summer is caused by the earth being nearest the sun, and winter by its being farthest from the sun. But if the reader will follow the argument in any text book he will see that according to the theory, when the earth is nearest the sun there must be summer in both northern and southern latitudes; and in like manner when it is farthest from the sun, it must be winter all over the earth at the same time, because the whole of the globe-earth would then be farthest from the sun!!! In short, it is impossible to account for the recurrence of the seasons on the assumption that the earth is globular and that it revolves in an orbit around the sun.” -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (124-125)

Eric Dubay said...

“The seasons are caused by the Sun’s circuit round the Earth in a spiral ecliptic. In the Winter Solstice (December 21st), the Sun is vertical over the Tropic of Capricorn. Looking South from London, he appears to make a small circuit in the Southern sky, during the same period he is seen to cross the sky at almost overhead in Cape Town, thus causing Summer in the Southern Hemisphere. In the Summer Solstice (June 21st), the Sun is vertical over the Tropic of Cancer, (nearly overhead in London), while looking North from Cape Town, he appears to make a small circuit in the Northern sky, causing Winter in the Southern and Summer in the Northern Hemisphere.” -E. Eschini, “Foundations of Many Generations” (7)

Hugh Jorgen said...

Hello and thank you for your whole life nothing has added it all fits together perfect

ChartWord said...

based on my own observation living with a telescope on the 11th floor of a high-rise apartment building in pittsburgh, pa the curved earth theory is bullshit

i made a diagram to illustrate what i saw with my own eyes

Fad said...

Hi, I agree the Earth could be flat, well definitely not a sphere and not spinning, but I think that satellites are real, as is the ISS... skybox, has live satellite imagery that shows amazing detail, and that would have to come from a satellite... It seems there is no actual video of the earth spinning, or any ISS video that shows clouds moving, etc... just my 2 cents

Eric Dubay said...

It's all just video trickery, models and CGI. There are no satellites, space stations, or Hubble telescopes.

The NASA Freemasonic ISS Hoax

Satellite Hoax - Satellites Do Not Exist

100% Proof NASA Fakes Images of Earth

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Anonymous said...

The most elaborate conspiracy every committed.

I have a question!

If every other celestial body in the known universe that can take pictures, why is ours the only one which is flat?

Every picture of space celestial throughout history have been manipulated?

Unknown said...

Since humans are usually prohibited to travel across the south pole without prior permits, is it possible to attach video camaras onto birds and get them to travel above antarctica in order to settle this mystery right away?

Anonymous said...

Do birds fly to Antarctica? How would we "get" them to? Lol

Anonymous said...

Hi Eric,

thanks for sharing your findings with the world - it all makes so much more sense.
I live in western Germany in the uplands. Several communities in our neck of the woods cannot get internet service, only sketchy cell phone reception and have been clamoring for over 12 years to get connected to the grid. Apparently this can only be done with cables and our terrain is unfriendly to that endeavor. So the now very funny idea of satellites providing communication links back to earth, or Hubble pictures back from Òuter Space` is making me laugh out loud. Yet ever so regularly little bits of NASA-ESA fantasy pictures appear in the media. Today is our longest day of the year and our temperatures have peaked at 14°C, with rain and clouds. Every time we have some nice weather (for a change) news of dire global warming is trumpeted, often with Al Gore and the ball earth cartoon in the background.
Again thanks for shining some light on well hidden truths.
A convert

Anonymous said...

There appears to be semi-direct flights from Chile to New Zealand. Even the URL in the image included in this blog post to a travel blog outlined they had the choice to take a direct route, but chose to take a cheap flight instead which took them well out of their way.;f=SCL;t=CHC;q=flights+from+santiago+chile+to+christchurch;d=2015-07-09;r=2015-07-13

Fad said...

Hi Eric, I dont know if you know Arthur Cristian of but he seems to sense that the shape of the earth is more like a mushroom cloud.. or like a tree, with us at the top... As for the faking of satellite imagery, etc. This company urthecast is about to launch sub meter resolution live video from the ISS< that will even show people when they are outside.. I mean when there is a volcano or a storm or something, is it really conceivable that its all faked? Are all of Googles maps taken by airplane? I know they have the tech, but I Just dont see how it could all be faked.. I think its most likely that only the shape of the earth is what they lie about, and they do this by using the curved lenses... I mean if they cant even fake a realistic video of the earth actually spinning from some distance away.. How could they be faking all the rest...

globalweimar said...

Eric I liked the question - presuming the theory stands up as you present it, what is holding the sun and moon up in the air? A slightly glib question but had merits I thought!

Stefan said...

Hey Eric, im with you 99.9% on the flat earth except for one question.

I use to be in the new zealand army and supposedly we flew to Antarctica to help for the yearly supply offload. From what i understand the equinox is the middle circumference between the center of the earth and the south. During a summer in new zealand the sun would be south of the equinox and north during winter.

Where ever i was i was surround on ice i watch the plane fly from water onto ice, it was a 6 hour flight from new zealand. During my 2 week stay it was 24 hour sun light which is what is claimed in Antarctica, 6 months of sun and 6 months of darkness.

My question is if i was on the ice shelf that surrounds the edge of earth how was there 24 hours of sunlight if the sun rotates around the circumference of the earth??? It would surly disappear in the horizon pretty quickly???

Anonymous said...

Dear Eric,
I tried to post this the other day, but my computer had crashed. I don't know if you've seen this article on Zen Gardner. I believe he also has a video on the subject.

Anonymous said...

Yet again, I have to ask the following:
Articles abound which are raving about the fact that this is the first time that we are seeing the surface of Pluto because 'conventional telescopes cannot see that far'.
What am I missing, here? We can supposedly 'see' tons of planets, galaxies and quasars that are millions of light years away, but we can't see Pluto?
Apparently, I am not the only one who has asked this question. This lady feels she has the answer, but given the distances involved, I'm not really buying it:
Here is another answer: there really are no actual photos of distant planets:
So, if they photo-shop some things it begs the question: what else are they photo-shopping?

Unknown said...


Jess piña said...

Hi Eric, thank you for the research you're doing. I recently became a total convert to the flat earth... It makes total sense and appeals to my mind as well as to my intuition and, most importantly, can easily be verified by observation. Are you able to put me in touch with a reputable group in London? It's kind of lonely being the only person I know who believes in this and it would be great to connect with others who arn't afraid of truth.
Many thanks,

Paul said...

Hi Eric, these theories, as I see now, facts are non arguable and I thank you for your wonderful work. I just bought your Flat Earth book and cannot put it down. Anyways, to my question. The only thing that I don't understand is the same as Stefan's question. How can we explain the 24 hoes of daylight witnessed on the Antarctic rim of the world? I think that is my only stumbling block in the flat earth model. I appreciate your time and look forward to your thoughts. Thanks, Paul

Eric Dubay said...

Thanks for the comments all! There is NO midnight 24 hour sunlight in the Antarctic, this is a lie: Peace

Anonymous said...

Latest comments very interesting, as always. Thanks, Eric.

Anonymous said...

So according you you there are no 24 hour sunlight days in Antarctica but are there 24 hour sunlight days at the north pole? Because that's pretty easy to test. You can just drive to northern Canada in the summer to test that.

Anonymous said...

My son lives in southern Alaska. Their longest day of sunlight is 19 hours. He is about 300 miles south of the North Pole as the bird flies.
I don't know about Antarctica, but all you have to do is look it up and you will see that the North Pole gets 24 hours of sunlight on the summer solstice.

globalweimar said...

I met a company this week that are creating a digital superhighway for the sky using aeroplanes to transmit data between each other, stopping their reliance on ground cellphone towers for data (www, cell phone access etc). They confirmed that all air traffic is monitored 100% by cell phone towers and NOT by satellites. I probed carefully without explicitly stating what I was interested in, but literally everything they said confirmed flat earth theory. They use a CGI image of space junk as an intro to why their superhighway is sustainable etc and I pointed out that a 'real' photo of the junk would be MUCH more powerful...they concurred and promised to find one (lol)
2 other points of detail - apparently ships in the Mediterranean use 'inmarsat' to get data when at sea, but yet inmarsat doesn't work unless you are within 10 miles of the coast. Obviously I pointed out the incongruity of such a statement and they agreed. The other points was truly funny....after an hour long meeting with me asking veiled flat earth questions the CEO gave me a very obvious Masonic handshake as he left. I've had one before and I am NOT imagining it. The meeting was something that I had to do for a friend, not anything Id normally do so the synchronicity of the whole situation was stark.

Truth on Steroids said...

The "Secrets of Enoch" Chapters 11 and 12 supports your findings exactly, except for one thing: "Thus (the sun) revolves and goes, and rises under the heaven, and its course goes UNDER THE EARTH with the light of its rays incessantly.

I do not know what to think about this, except that maybe the time zones were created by man. I mean, just because China BELIEVES that they are 24 hours away from us, does it really mean that they ARE 24 hours away from us? Could man have doubled the time zone to make the globe thing more believable?

Can anyone solve this?

Anonymous said...

...if the earth is flat with a dome, does the entire universe exist ?
Is there another universe outside the dome ?
Can anyone answer me, please ?

Anonymous said...

There is no way to prove if there is anything above earths low orbit as it is impossible to break through the shielding surrounding the planet.We are unable to believe modern day science as it has lied to us for so long most of the world believes they are telling the truth.Think of it this way.If we never made it past low earth orbit all of mans achievements in space to date did not happen either. There are and never will be any satellites orbiting the earth so all the planet and galaxy info supplied up to now is also fake.All we really know about what is up there is the moon as we can see that with our own eyes and all the stars are really just small lights in the sky using the only thing we really have which is a scope.

Unknown said...

What makes me mad is if the earth is really flat think of all the money the usa government has stolen from the American people under the NASA hoax. Makes me so mad!!!

Anonymous said...

Surely, the flat Earth has to be 100% true because it states in Revelations 1:7 "every eye will see him, even those who pierced him" so how would every being be able to see him if this was a 'GLOBE'

Anonymous said...

I must say it seems someone who could afford a private airplane or drone could fly over the wall of ice at any point of its 360 degrees and see what lies beyond it and take a video. Personally it gives me hope that one day that will occur. I have recently seen videos of the South Pole station that seem to show another sun in the sky. Perhaps that sun hovers over the next flat earth near ours. Just think they might be living in a paradise, a garden of Eden. Might it be possible that when a body dies that the spirit returns to God, and that it can be reincarnated into a perfect body in the garden of Eden next door to us? That would b very cool, indeed. Worth believing in if we follow the command of Jesus and love one another. On second thought I don't think God would allow His paradise to be breached by an airplane or a drone or rocket, etc. But it's exciting to know that we are accumulating data that gives us more certainty of paradise's existence. G.

Anonymous said...

I have a couple burning questions in my head if you could please answer Eric--

If indeed Antarctica encircles the entire plane/planet how could the military possibly keep people from exploring/approaching its entire coastline?
Wouldn't a modern survey measuring the length of the Antarctic coastline prove your theory? Surely some present day sailor-adventurer must have done this? You have quotes from surveys done in the 1800s and prior to that, but do you know of anyone in the 21st century?

Also, how do individuals manage to sail the oceans now using the conventional maps?

Thank you!!

Anonymous said...

Is Polaris visible from Antarctica? I live in Panama where Polaris can be seen just above the tree tops - about 10 degrees elevation.

Unknown said... curious, how close to ice wall one could sail, in legal terms, signed by those treaty countries, without been intercepted by military vessels??

Anonymous said...

Ice holds our water not gravity...South pole surrounding us makes perfect sense...You ask, Whats on the other side of the ice wall?.......Outer Space...Literally the outer space from our enclosed world...Not the outer space that we have been taught, that is full of planets and galaxies...
See you on the other side...Civilizations are what lies inside the walls...once we become one nationalized world, we adapt one name....As of now we have americans, chinese, russians, etc... but what about when we become one world government...we are becoming one society thus eliminating different labels and adapting one label...once we become one world, hypothetically we will adapt the name of The american civilization like the egyptians, aztecs, mayans, etc...where did all of these civilizations go? they supposedly had technology far beyond ours, so they just died off?... No, they found ways out...they conquered the wall of ice and settled in on the other side...they are our aliens aka shapeshifters that we believe in...they leave our enclosed world and control it from the other side...aliens are not a different species, they are still human...they are just humans that our beyond the everyday human thats trapped in this 3d reality... they are humans with a higher conscienceness...they live in outer space...Yeah, the outer space of our enclosed world...people will believe that theres an invisible track that the sun, moon, and spaceships magically ride, yet they wont believe that the sun and moon are on a track or railway built into the top of the dome...which one sounds more logical? People that dont believe the facts that are presented that clearly reveal truth, are just people who might think outside of the box but they still base their views on what they have been taught...throw out everything you've ever known, then indulge in the search for truth with an open mind not one thats already been shaped based on what youve been bred to believe...Why do you think we are fed chemicals and negative temptations in every aspect of our lives...To keep us locked in the invisible walls and to deter us from thinking outside of the box... thats how you keep the number of people who conquer this world in such low volumes...thats how the elite always maintain that 1% of the order for them to stay in control they have to keep people from climbing up...Outside our enclosure lies paradise...Not everyone can live in paradise...only the select few that not only understand how this world works, but the select few that understand the reason why this world works are the ones that make it there...there right and wrong then theres military(meaning that sometimes wrong has to be done in order to make things right)...Sacrifice

I'd appreciate it if you did not post this...this is meant for you eric, those who are of lower conscienceness dont necessarily deserve to read this
remember if we would speak this to the public back in the day, we would be persecuted and hanged or locked in an asylum...some people just cant hear things outside of their own beliefs due to ridicule of who's saying what
I am very curious on what you think of all of this and my posts about 2d and 3d flat earth from the last thread
Thanks for your time and effort

Michael said...

Using a compass and traveling directly from west to east below the equator, the further south your starting point, the distance must necessarily:

-become shortened, as on a globe, or
-become lengthened, as on a flat circle/sphere

Herein lies the problem for the former assumption.

The circumference of the equator, supposedly the widest portion of the Earth, is an estimated 25,000 miles. However, Antarctica's circumference is somewhere between 50,000-60,000 miles. This would necessarily be impossible on a globe.

On a flat earth with the North Pole at the center, as you traveled directly east or west, although you would always appear to be moving in a straight line, in reality you would be traveling around at a slight angle without realizing it. The further the distance from the north, the less of an angle. That's why even if you believe you're circumnavigating a globe, the compass would read exactly the same way.

Therefore, if someone attempted to circumnavigate around the coast of Antarctica, let's say traveling due east, the compass would always point in a western direction, so the navigator would have no way to discern whether he was traveling along a large perimeter at the bottom of the globe or along a wide barrier as on the flat earth map, save for the total distance around and back to the starting point.

So then, how can the circumference of Antarctica be about twice as large as the distance around the equator if we're really on a globe? It is absolutely impossible.

Last point. There are stories coming from researchers about 24/7 sunlight during their experience in Antarctica. Question is, how do we really know they're present there and are not in fact at the North Pole or some other snowy/icy location? It would be very easy to fake and present as though real. Where's the hard proof? We get nothing.

GiordanoBruno said...

A friend and I were talking about a flat earth, and I mentioned that gravity may not exist, that things fall towards the ground because they are heavier than air. He made a good point, perhaps you can correct him (I couldn't). He said that if inside a lightbulb exists a vacuum (no air) why would the burnt filament fall towards the ground?

Anonymous said...


Because a filament(something) yields more density than a vacuum(nothing) thus it will fall. Things don't necessarily fall to the ground because they are heavier than "air," they fall to the ground because they are more dense than their surroundings.

~ Я0llyJ0g3r

Anonymous said...

Fascinating stuff

What's happened to ?

I really want to check those links but -

"In accordance with Section 25(a) of the ProBoards Terms of Service, this forum has been taken offline."

Anonymous said...

Hi eric, and all the other flat earthers!

I live in Norway, and I have always been wery fasinated by trying to figure out the meaning of life,
why we are here etc. today I had a flight from Oslo to Bergen, I travel a lot during my work.
I have been researching a lot lately, and no doubt, I'm more and more convinced that we live on a flat plane.
As earlier I did not se any curvarture at all during todays flight, like before...
The Globe is dead to me, I just se more and more of the things Eric discovered each day...
I mean, even here in Norway the goverment, educationsystem, and the media is f***** up like the rest of the world...
The people controlling it all, the frimurere (freemasons) is everywhere in the system.
I also think that one of our earlier primeministers signed this papers so that we secretly are a member of the EU, even if the media or our
politicians refuses this.... It's all a lie! Just look at the symbolism, Hollywood, Disney, globesymbolism on many logos
So keep up the good work Eric, I'm a huge fan! Let the world know what's really up.
Anyway it's the 3'rd time Obama metioned the globe vs flat earth now, so no doubt right!!!😂

P&L peeps!

Anonymous said...

Hello All, We know there are many many lies, cover-ups, disinformation...regarding our reality. The question is WHY? Why keep the
public in the dark (literally) about such a subject? How can the Controllers keep Every astronaut (although Neil Armstrong did make
a statement to the press club in D.C.stating astronauts are like parrots. They don't fly very well and only repeat what they're told. Quite
telling-), scientists, astronomers, pilots, Mariners...from speaking out? It seems like such a monumental task. Also, what about atomic
weapons utilized against the Firmament? What are the long -term implications of exposure to such weapons (>2000 tests)in a flat-Earth CLOSED system?
There are many examples that support the flat-Earth hypothesis. Look at photos from planes or go to a large body of water and see for
yourself. The reflection of the Sun (93 million miles away) simply makes no sense. This incredibly localized reflection can only be caused
by the Sun being a few hundred miles away.
What about Werner Von Braun's gravestone and reference to Psalms 19.1?

Anonymous said...

Hey Eric, hoping you could shed some light on the following subjects:
-why/how does nasa continue to perpetuate these lies regarding True photos or live video feed of the Earth? We're getting
ridiculous composite shots and others using chi. Why hasn't there been a national movement to obtain the Truth?
-the Sun anomaly (I mentioned similar question a few days ago) watching all week at same times, varried, several places in different
country's... It's obviously so much closer than the 93,000,000 miles away they state. Looks much closer hundreds of miles possibly.
-if this is the case it could mean the Sun is more electro-magnetic rather than extreme heat. Possible 'hot sun' and effects of
Solar flares could be more disinformation.
-what are the Controllers ultimate goal?
Thanks, Eric

Unknown said...

you people who dont belive that earth is flat google pictures the earth from the moon or go to NASA an do it. they will show the earth about the size of a dime. well we all know the earth is bigger tan a dime if you are on the moon looking back Nasa fakes all the pictures.

Anonymous said...

I think the Earth is flat and not spinning, but, If there are no satellites, what is giving me GPS locations in areas where cell tower signals do not exist? "No" cell phone signal, but "yes" GPS. Obviously there is something up there. Maybe P.K. Dick had it right.

Unknown said...

hey i'm still looking at this i never heard of flat earth until week or so ago. i'm still tryin to figure out why earth is only dime size from the moon. here i am on earth an can see the moon real good when it's full with a telescope see all the craters an more. but if i was on the moon looking back i wouldnt even be able to see the great lakes with Nasa pictuers. when you google pictures earth from moon they all show the same pictures earth is real small. i would need the hubble telescope to see any thing at all. and if the moon was a dime and earth was a morgan silver dollar i should be able to see alot on earth. i watch one of the apolla astronuats on tv and he said the earth was so big that you could not take your eyes off of it but when Nasa shows them on the moon its real small right.something not right. hey i'm 60 i have a open mind on every subject i do belive it is out their. hey guys listen to Coast To Coast AM ITS A SCI-FI radio station late 11;00-3;00 am. Geogre Noorey-goole it its a great station for sci-fi people who what to belive. hey if any one can explain why earth is so small from the moon let me know thanks Bob.

Unknown said...

Had the thought that the sky is blue because that's the colour of the firmament, when lit from the inside by the sun. 'Science' says it's blue because the sun's rays coming in from space scatter blue light because of the chemical composition of atmospheric gases. That does not make sense. If that were the case we'd see a blue fog everywhere even over short distances.
Interestingly artists paint of that colour is called cobalt blue. I wonder if the firmament is made of cobalt? Some of the ancients thought it was metal but what kind of metal?

What do people think of that one?

I checked the curvature at the water in Sydney my first vid about it

Anonymous said...

If the earth a sphere or spinning then explain the Coriolis Effect which refers to the deflection on the trajectory of a bullet generated by the spinning motion of the Earth. Its effect is negligible at medium distances, but becomes important around 1000yds and beyond.
The Coriolis effect affects everything not firmly attached to the Earth’s surface. It affects fluids, air and water, as well as floating and flying objects like ships, airplanes and… also bullets.

Anonymous said...

Had a thought bob cobb have you ever taken a picture of the moon with a phone and it looks super tiny even if you try to zoom in compared to when you just look at it with your bare eyes...

Milton said...

Hi, how can you explain the moon phases?

Unknown said...

Dear Mr. Dubay, I really love your website and video's. You say the earth has no southpole, I believed it, but the deception is there are no poles at all, the one pole idea came from the vatican in the first place, then they made us believe there were two by making earth spherical. Please look at this video from Freeanergy youtube channel:

thnx, best luck, Robin Otten

N.Parker said...

Excellent work!!!!

Anonymous said...

I asked this question on Reddit and got banned from the sub;

I'm wondering if you have a bibliography? I'd like to read these authors further but I can't find any publish dates in your article.


Unknown said...

Hi. I'm new in flat earth theory. I think it make sense that the earth is flat.
But there are still many things i want to know to make me sure 100% that the earth is flat. For now i only believe 50% that the earth is flat, and believe 50% that the earth is spherical.
One of my question is,
If gravity doesn't exist, why an object is accelerating 9,8 m/s downward when freefalling? (I already test it). What kind of force that accelerate it?
Thank you...
Sorry about my english..
Greetings from Indonesia.

Anonymous said...

Hi Eric,

I have all the books scanned thereafter to find the alleged quote from Samuell Rowbotham. It does not seem to be of him. Where does this statement? I am very interested to find it ...

"“If we now consider the fact that when we travel by land or sea, and from any part of the known world, in a direction towards the North polar star, we shall arrive at one and the same point, we are forced to the conclusion that what has hitherto been called the North Polar region, is really the center of the Earth. That from this northern center the land diverges and stretches out, of necessity, towards a circumference, which must now be called the Southern region: which is a vast circle, and not a pole or center … In this and other ways all the great navigators have been frustrated in their efforts, and have been more or less confounded in their attempts to sail round the Earth upon or beyond the Antarctic circle. But if the southern region is a pole or center, like the north, there would be little difficulty in circumnavigating it, for the distance round would be comparatively small. When it is seen that the Earth is not a sphere, but a plane, having only one center, the north; and that the south is the vast icy boundary of the world, the difficulties experienced by circumnavigators can be easily understood.” –Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (21-23)"

Mayan Cycle said...

Hi all! I've come across the Flat Earth theory some years back when a Yogi introduced me to this philosophy. I'm a Chemistry teacher and this unorthodox idea was not to my liking. But, since I viewed the following video, it made sense how this world, time and life are cyclic in nature and obey the laws of entropy/thermodynamics. Interestingly, spirituality is a continuity where science stops....
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Mayan Cycle said...

The following video answers a lot of the above questions. Have a look:-


Anonymous said...

People it's in the Bible
Proverbs 8:27
When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he drew a circle upon the face of the depth:

Job 26:10
"He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters At the boundary of light and darkness.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Red said...

In this forum, one person said that we should start sending drones over the Antarctic ice barrier to see what lies beyond. Well Mr. Smartypants, for one thing, if the environment is as hostile and turbulent as many old Arctic and Antarctic seafaring tales have claimed, what makes you think that a drone could survive the journey?!? It would probably get destroyed. Furthermore, temperatures in those regions could dip HUNDREDS of degrees below zero! A drone would probably get destroyed by the cold alone! Then there would be ice accumulation on the wings and propellers of the drone. In those bone-splitting temperatures, the resulting ice build-up would flat out TANK a drone. There's also the matter of "fuel!!!" No batteries could last long enough to complete such a journey. The cold would probably destroy your batteries, regardless of what insulation you used. And solar power won't work way down ( or "out" ) there. What if it gets so dark and foggy that nothing could be seen even if you were there yourSELF!?!? Oh and let's not forget the ice build-up on the camera lens! And if your Antarctic camera-drone DID somehow make it some 20 or so miles beyond the ice wall, it would still have to turn around on it's own and head back home to YOU again. It would NEVER be able to survive the turbulent journey all the way back home to you. Then there was someone that mentioned strapping cameras to birds. That's stupid. For one thing, beyond the southernmost ice wall, the temperatures are probably low enough to turn a flock of penguins into a slightly elevated portion of the ice shelf!!! Birds never fly that far South ( or North, if you're trying to explore the North Pole ). Then there's the Area 51 level military surveillance surrounding the South Pole! Ask anybody that has ever tried to "dodge" that level of military CIA/NSA caliber simply can NOT be done, Jack.

Anonymous said...

Hey Eric,, I have been looking, but I cannot find the word, as to does the cold air in South America come from the North
or the South?

Unknown said...

What was the video that isnt available aany longer?

erik philippus said...


The absolute zero-point (0 Kelvin) = -273 degrees centigrade, according to the laws of thermodynamics. Or do you think that's fake as well?

And if I may ask: a compass is based on a magnetic field encompassing the earth. A magnet requires a north- and a south-pole. Where is the magnetic south-pole located?


Unknown said...

Just found a flight from Santiago Chile to Christ Church via Aukland. The flight to Aukland is 12 hours and 40 min. Given a 787 speed of 560 mph, that equals a 7,068 mile trip. This refutes the claim that the flat earth direct flight is 15,000 miles.

Unknown said...

of course the podcast has been deleted from YouTube...anyone have a current link???

Unknown said...

has the podcast been re-uploaded anywhere?

Anonymous said...

The very FACT that every single picture, video, amateur footage or whatever immediately gets broken, moved, deleted, censored, or otherwise SCREAMS CONSPIRACY. Seems "they" really do not want anyone thinking for themselves and/or coming to their own informed and cognizant decisions on the matter, huh? It also is peculiar that one can write an elaborate comment and then hit "post" only to have the page loop around back into a "sign in" page, conveniently losing all of the comment content and forcing you to rewrite it. Hard to do for some folks, and just a plain nuisance for most others with a brain. It should not be such an obstacle course if there is no relevance to challenging the normally accepted "theories". "Hmmm"...