Tuesday, December 14, 2010

David Icke Debunked



I've been recommended this 2 1/2 hour documentary 3 times already this week and finally got around to watching it. David Icke Debunked is fantastic, really well presented/researched and absolutely essential viewing for anyone who's ever heard of David Icke. If you don't have time to watch the whole thing, at least watch the final half-hour as it gets into how/why David Icke and other "conspiracy heroes" are being used as a controlled-opposition leaders, preparing us for certain future events and ideologies. Here's the transcript from what I'd deem the most important/interesting part of the documentary:

Let me suggest a possible x factor that people like Bill Cooper have suggested, and one that I think without question we are being prepared for by the global elite, and have been for at least 70 years. That is an extra-terrestrial presence being discovered. I realize that there are many documents that reveal a plan of the new world order to use an alien threat to cause the patriotism needed for a world government. After all people would no longer view themselves and separate countries but instead a world family, this would also create the need for a world bureaucracy to deal with the threat. But I think that based on the propaganda of Hollywood and the occult writings that this might not be presented as a threat at all, but rather as them posing as a savior to a world that will be war torn. They will claim to be saving us from ourselves. They will claim to have genetically created mankind, and they would claim that they used to be like us and that we are on the verge of an evolution. Suspend disbelief for a moment as I explain how this would serve as Icke's x factor and the catalyst for his Utopia and the real new world order to begin all at the same time.

It would accomplish the primary thing that Icke says we need to do in order to shift with the planet, that is to destroy religion of all types. All over the world religions would be in turmoil. Here are these aliens and they are claiming to have created us, that means they are claiming to be our God in a sense. Overnight the programming that Icke says is too powerful, the religious programming, that is holding us back from the shift, would be shattered. All the religions would be forced to reconsider their ideas.

Secondly, it would finally get the idea of a possible evolution to the entire world, everyone across the world, from the smallest village to the largest city would have a really good reason to believe that they too could be evolved, they could become like the aliens, they could become actual gods. Overnight the x factor could turn the entire world into little David Ickes believing their evolution was just around the corner.

And of course the world government utopia would be possible then, but it would be even better if what after a time of war like when Alice Bailey said The new world order must be appropriate to a world which has passed through a destructive crisis and to a humanity which is badly shattered by the experience. Here is why:

We need to be convinced that the utopia that we will be asked to join is totally different than the old system. For us truther types we will need to be convinced that the new world order has been defeated in order to trust such a utopia…the regular people will only have to be convinced that the new system, since it will be based on non-religious ideas, now because the aliens showed us that the religions were wrong, will be one where there will be no more wars; that will be the promise…the war that we are saved from initially must be made to look like the epitome of religious wars, it will be something that pins the Jews against Muslims which will draw in the so called Christians…the world will be convinced that the previous wars were about religion…this will be the way that the genocide starts ... It's like the treaty of Versailles times 100.

Only universal disaster could have brought men to a state of mind wherein such propositions and solutions could be presented. The general recognition that the old order has lamentably failed is most valuable. – Alice Bailey

The new world order will seem to have been defeated, we will rejoice in our new hope of utopia we will badly need it, we will be told to await out new found powers, but when they don’t come we will be told that it is because there are still among us that are keeping us from it, those that are still hanging on to the old age.

"But we’re now seeing the last throes of a dying system, where the Illuminati in their box, they’re believing they’re crashing the system to create something else, when it’s actually crashing really, for another reason." -David Icke

Understand what he is saying, he is admitting that they are crashing the system to create something else. This idea should be common knowledge to all of us who study them, they are going to be the solution to a problem they created. And Icke of course knows this, after all he is Mr. problem-reaction-solution.

But listen to what he is saying…he believes his utopia will arise out of their ashes and for some reason their phoenix wont rise… in effect he is saying when the system crashes…he is expecting his utopia to rise but they are expecting a utopia to rise too…how are we supposed to know that the utopia we get after the crash is the one that Icke is talking about instead of the one they have been planning to bring about for so long…or probably the bigger question is… are theses utopias one in the same, they certainly sound the same.…What a dangerous game this is.

They will say that there are still people who don’t trust the new utopia, (these people will primarily be Christians because there are prophecies specifically mention a great deception that will seem to offer peace but it will only last a 3.5 years before it shows its true colors) All the other religions will find it easy to agree to the new system. This in addition to the propaganda that Christianity is behind all the wars of the past will convince the entire world of theses words of Aleister Crowley who was given this message from a being claiming to be an Egyptian god.

I want to encourage people to look into some of the things that we have been constantly told are true in the Truth Movement. For example we have always been told that the Bible was changed by the illuminati, but if you see my video "was the bible written or changed by the illuminati" you will see that this claim is easily disputed. Or that Christians were behind the crusades and other wars, see my video “religious wars, fact or fiction.” Or as I mentioned the Zeitgeit version of history. Watch the video "Zeitgeist Refuted" final cut or check out any of the links at the website zeitgeistchallenge.com If you're really concerned about truth, watch that film, or go to my youtube channel where I have 336 uploads and other videos I have made like this one, and consider the possibility that you have been brainwashed as I once had been, to hate Christians and Jews. Is it so hard to believe knowing Satanists are behind this?

Here we have been told by Icke, a man definitely possessed by something, that if we worship the God of the bible we are worshiping the reptilians.

"When you worship, you project energy, you are feeding this force by thinking you are worshipping this force when you are worshipping these!" -David Icke

He has changed his mind in every book he has written about which way to tell you not to look toward Jesus and not to look at the Bible. His entities have told him to tell us that demons don’t exist. The voice that talked to him for 5 hours in Brazil went on quite a tirade about how demons don’t exist how could they if everything was an illusion.

There is fabulous reason why this misdirection is happening, because the real agenda is being played out like a military system. These demons are influencing people to prepare the way for what the new world order calls its phoenix. And what the theosophical society calls the world teacher, their Christ, what I would call the antichrist. A genuine satanist knows that this has been the plan all along, they are awaiting something they call the black awakening when this system will begin.

"The widespread expectation that we approach the “age of Maitreya,” ... when the World Teacher and present head of the spiritual Hierarchy, the Christ, will reappear among humanity to sound the keynote of the new age … There are millions of mentally alert men and women in all parts of the world who are on rapport with the Plan and work to give it expression.. They provide opportunity for cooperation with the spiritual evolution of humanity… there is no group so likely to ensure that humanity achieves this most difficult goal as the men and women of goodwill … requiring only courage… to initiate action to prepare for the New World Order.” -Alice Bailey

All the conspiracies are leading up to one event. There is an ancient Angel that has been working on a system that would allow him to actually control the world to such a degree that he could force them to worship him as God… and unfortunately for the first time in history the technology is capable of doing that, I believe that the implantable microchip could actually play a role in this. And he is the General in this, that is why you find Satanism behind every door you kick down in the investigation of the new world order, that is why you find his demons telling people to go out on a word stage and teach a doctrine that will lead them right into his hands, to an elitist mindset seeking the luciferic initiation of the light bringer, Prometheus, Lucifer… they have always been preparing you for the Him…their agenda has never changed…but we have been so brainwashed to hate Christianity that the bible is the last place we would look for the truth.

Jesus spoke of the time that’s coming, he said:

"Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents, and shall cause them to be put to death. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be delivered."

It interesting that here is a guy that not even his enemies can find a good reason to accuse him. He is entirely just and sincere, and humble, in the Bible, yet for some unknown reason, what he said is absolutely true, we will be hated for his name’s sake. This hate has to come from a third party, the illuminati perverts the Bible to make you think that religion is equal with Jesus so that you will reject Him. I submit to all of you that Jesus was the most anti-religious person that ever walked the face of the earth. He had nothing but compassion for sinners of even the worst kind…the only harsh things he ever said was to the clergy of his day…oh and the bankers.

30 comments:

muzuzuzus said...

HAh, as I began reading the transcript, I quickly guessed who was maker of this video. I clicked on video and was right--/nowheretorun1984'

I have communicated with this dude. On time last year I commented on his video critiquing it and he invited me on his podcast. WELL he must have interviewed me for bout three hours, it was late--i lost MY voice but he was like on speed with his warbally-like voice still in action lol

I will give him that he has a passion. I like how he exposes much of the new age BS, and David Icke... BUT he doesn't dig the meaning of the patriarchy and how HIS religion, Christianity, is a big part of that.
Instead of seeing how 'badness' is inevitably inherent in a belief system that posits 'all-goodness'--When bad thing obviously happen in Christian history like the Inquisition etc he will blame other forces at work NOT HIS belief system. This is his massive blindspot, and thers no getting through to him. In typical Christianized manic fashion he proposes a DIRE apocalyptic 'end'---and keepin us all tuned into the patriarchal linear grind of a linear sense of time---that 'soon all will be made right and good with Christ's second coming'
It is a paranoid vision. Understand that saying this I am not claiming that the globalists mean well--what with their so-called transhumanist dreams---but that the roots are deeper than this dude is showing or knows about.
AND final point. Notice how he wont admit he doesn't REALLY know. He will instead assume that aliens are either 'demons' and/or secret black ops designed to entrap us. I would love to know how he ACTUALLY knows this. I distrust such all-knowing. I think he gets this from his role model the 'all-good all-knowing father'.

Eric Dubay said...

Thanks for that Muz. Good points. I see where you're coming from about the staunch, seemingly unbending dichotomies in Christianity, but isn't that more the Roman, politicized, controlled version of Christianity than it is the actual teachings of Jesus? Certainly Jesus wouldn't have advocated the Crusades or Inquisitions or the ideologies leading to them, nor did he advocate creating a religion out of his life/teachings in the first place! As for the filmmaker not admitting he doesn't really know, I agree with you there. Everyone should be able to modestly concede our subjective understandings of truth. I'll also admit that I don't KNOW the objective metaphysical truth of reality, but I've researched/discerned/intuited a lot, and like most of us I'm on a fairly concrete, semi-fluid, gnostic journey leading me towards greater and greater understandings. At the moment, it seems to me that we're being prepared for a UFO/alien world event designed to deceive us into thinking they are our creators, disarming the populace in the name of world peace, creating a world government with Venus Project-like control grids, and a micro-chipped population. It just so happens that this exact scenario was put to paper about 2,000 years ago, and Jesus was the man who described it... that lends some serious credibility in my eyes, but sure, nobody really knows, and in all honesty we'll just have to wait and see, keep our wits about us, our vibrations high, and be present during these "future" events. Peace (but not so-called "world peace" :) rather, inner peace for everyone in the world)

muzuzuzus said...

"Good points. I see where you're coming from about the staunch, seemingly unbending dichotomies in Christianity, but isn't that more the Roman, politicized, controlled version of Christianity than it is the actual teachings of Jesus? Certainly Jesus wouldn't have advocated the Crusades or Inquisitions or the ideologies leading to them, nor did he advocate creating a religion out of his life/teachings in the first place!"

Hi man --REALLY enjoy your reponse

"Good points. I see where you're coming from about the staunch, seemingly unbending dichotomies in Christianity, but isn't that more the Roman, politicized, controlled version of Christianity than it is the actual teachings of Jesus? Certainly Jesus wouldn't have advocated the Crusades or Inquisitions or the ideologies leading to them, nor did he advocate creating a religion out of his life/teachings in the first place!"

Nowheretorun's beliefs depend on the actual literal/historical belief in an actual person who was the 'Son of God', was crucified and died for our sins. Now--there is a big problem with this premise. There is actually no evidence for a Jesus of Nazareth.

HOWever, when we look at a bigger picture within which the Christian myth can be understood--ie., the pagan mythos, we see correlations. For example if you look at the mythology of Dionysos.
As John M. Allegro reveals in his book The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, the story and meaning of Dionysos and Jesus are very much similar.
Cutting straight to the chase---OK--It was the Orphic mystical school which influenced Christianity. They themselves had taken over a more earth-based Dionysian entheogenic religion, and substituted the idea that nature is bad and we must 'purify' ourselves to return to our 'true home of the spirit'. Compare with the Christian goal of 'return to the Father'. hence they were world-denying. They want to escape.

The Roots: Dionysos was name of the actual entheogenic vegetation the Celebrants would eat, and SO--for the initiates of the Essenes and early Christian churhs was 'Jesus'. So we are NOt talking about a man in historical time but an actual experience which is ETERNAL.(not sure of word limit so--end of part 1)

muzuzuzus said...

part 2---So yes, both Dionysis and jesus were really--according to Allegro--referring to sacred mushrooms that experiencers would imbibe and 'become god'--become 'possessed' by the god/plant--one of Dionysos' names was 'god of nature'--so you get the idea?
Intyersting to note that somehow the Greek term meaning what happens when you would eat sacred fruit is our word enthusiasm (Greek"enthousiasmos ("having the god in us"--also 'inspired')
So---what happenes with the CHRISTIAN myth in its political form--used for Roman Empire is the historical version is insisted on via punishment of death.
But deeper than that and I have talked about it here:
Psychedelic, Mythology, and Madness (Part 1)
<a href="http://intothefaerywoods.blogspot.com/2009_07_01_archive.html>Part 2, Psychedelic, Mythology and Madness: The Patriarchal Expropriation of the Sacred Fruit of the Goddess</a>

That even in its inner circle initiatory phase, the Christian myth following its orphic mentor tends to interpret and use entheogens in a world-denying way. So for example, unlike the pagan 'god@man entheogenic plants which were associated with the Goddess's son/lover--the ever-living, ever-dying, ever-regenerating--meaning eternal nature and our nature--in the CHRISTIAN myth there is the 'jesus' LEAVING nature, and returning to a disembodied 'father' not connected with the cycles of nature. So the myth is dissociative--divisive.

muzuzuzus said...

hmm m sorry i must have cone the html wrong for 2nd link:

Part 2, Psychedelic, Mythology and Madness: The Patriarchal Expropriation of the Sacred Fruit of the Goddess

Anonymous said...

I'll keep this comment short but hopefully interesting.

Part of this chap's thesis is that Icke is possessed by demons who fancy themselves as gods and who'll style themselves as our saviors. Those demons must be invited into your life, to guide you etc. His solution is for us to invite the god Jesus to lead our lives and we'll be saved. Anyone else see the problem here?

Eric Dubay said...

Haha, nice one Anonymous, I thought the same thing while watching! And thanks to Muz for that response. I'll check out your links soon. I've read Allegro's book and quoted it extensively in The Atlantean Conspiracy. I was just pondering the other day that Jesus may very well be a real entity, but non-physical and only "visible" through the use of entheogens. Perhaps in the ancient world when entheogen use was more evolved, we were able to make repeated, communal contact with actual non-physical beings like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc. and while in the altered state "they" would teach us things, heal us etc. This would explain many of the seemingly impossible feats/miracles. Their "perfect" other-worldly examples might have sprung whole traditions and religions into existence, which over time became dogmatic, physicalized, and historicized.

Or, along the lines of anonymous' comment, pardon my hypothetical blasphemy, but perhaps Jesus is a demon too, and no matter which entity you "invite into your soul," you are being possessed by something you'd be better off without. Lots to consider. Keep the comments coming. Peace.

Transcend Designs said...

The true 'GODHEAD' or Jesus (or Christ or Krsna or whatever), in it's absolute form is actually the very STATE OF BEING IN FOCUS (ie right here right now).
It has nothing to do with anybody or anything or any other entity past, present, or future...
The truest purest state of being is right now, within all of us,THAT'S IT.
Any talk outside of the ORIGINAL FOCUS which we all have is purely secondary and meaningless as it's just referring to an 'other' that is not part of this PURE STATE.
Now the trick is to STAY IN THIS PLACE OF FOCUS as CONSTANTLY as we can.

It gets mighty hard when we're subjected to the given RAT RACE everyday, but that is what our Natural Medicinal Herbs are tools for, BRINGING US BACK INTO THIS PURE FOCUS despite the severe brainwashing that goes on on a daily basis.

Now when we are there (IN FOCUS), WE NEED TO START CREATING within that space (paint,music,dance), these very creations are then as PURE as they can be, and this is what is completely opposed to the given system (ie anti-individuality)
(what's more simple and pure than the whirling dervishes spinning for hours on end for example)

Anyway, all these buffoons are pure entertainment and should be kept as such, and even the words of Jesus, though they are some of the purest words around, the fact that they are still words makes them nothing to be worshipped, nor anyone else's words...
Take what's good out of them, then move along, BUT STAY IN YOUR FOCUS...

AND CREATE!

(and drink some juice while your at it too! ;)

muzuzuzus said...

"I was just pondering the other day that Jesus may very well be a real entity, but non-physical and only "visible" through the use of entheogens. Perhaps in the ancient world when entheogen use was more evolved, we were able to make repeated, communal contact with actual non-physical beings like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna etc. and while in the altered state "they" would teach us things, heal us etc. This would explain many of the seemingly impossible feats/miracles. Their "perfect" other-worldly examples might have sprung whole traditions and religions into existence, which over time became dogmatic, physicalized, and historicized."

Yeah, I think that Jesus is a very powerful 'archetype' using Jungian terminology for want of a better term. A character that seems into the group imaginal realm. After all the literal story IS very powerful and moving, and many people--including indigenous peoples round the world--have had this story told them since being children.
It is very interesting that in NDE reports often it is the western reports that feature 'Jesus' who meets them in light etc, whereas in Eastern countries they may meet the Lord of Death. So it is clear that in the Imaginal Realm (again for want of a better term?) what we 'expect' we may experience.
Now, I read a very deep account from someone who had taken Ayahuasca and had a powerful healing experience, and he says he met Jesus.
I have read UFO/ET experiencers claim to have seen 'Jesus'. One recent one said he was surprised he didn't look like the usual depictions but had very black hair---etc

So yes, I agree. We could meet all manner of entities. In a very powerful OBE I had I met two entities a male and female, and later in the experience i met people very close to me, and later they took those MASKS off and underneath were Satyrs!! So ANYHTING is possible in these deeper dimensions. And like you say---the trouble is when these visionary experiences becomes set down in text and historicized.

"Or, along the lines of anonymous' comment, pardon my hypothetical blasphemy, but perhaps Jesus is a demon too, and no matter which entity you "invite into your soul," you are being possessed by something you'd be better off without. Lots to consider. Keep the comments coming."

Well say we listen to music. Aren't we letting the spirit of the music into our soul? When we eat food we do the same--if you like me understand plants and all reality to be full of spirit. So how much more so the plants that INSPIRE so very deeply. What is the deeper meaning is what interests me.
I think it is wise to always keep in mind that authentic mythology (before manipulators try and use it to divide us from soul and nature and community) is song, poetry, dance, metaphor. So if say we are told the sacred plant is a god, and one of the names is god of nature---then surely this is metaphor for the deeper extraordinary feeling we have when we eat 'him' and sense an expansion of our being as interelation with nature. Isn't this wonder-full? NOW we are experiencing eternity---but not as in conflict with 'time'. We are seeing deeper into the omplimentarity of so-called opposite---nature and spirit, good and bad, female and male, light and dark, humour and seriousness, life and death, etc. We want to sing, poeticize, dance, laugh, and love~~ :)

muzuzuzus said...

I would like to add that we ALSO experience the feelings we normally try and avoid, and doing so realize that letting ourselves embrace what we fear is healing. This says what I mean better:
“Hekate teaches us that the way to the vision that inspires renewal is to be found in moving through the darkness. As we enter into Hekate's realm, we must confront and come to terms with the dark, unconscious side of our inner nature. If we are to receive her gift of vision and renewal, we must face this Dark Goddess within ourselves, honor, praise, and make our peace with her. By giving her our trust as guardian of our unconscious and surrendering to her process, we can allow ourselves to grow into an awareness of the rich realm of our personal underworld."

Christianity popularly has demoninzed all of that consigning that realm to the 'Devil', YET even so there is a myth of the Harrowing of Christ where he spends time in 'Hell'--so in a way it is saying something similar

Anonymous said...

To follow my previous comment, (sorry I forgot to identify myself) there is another similarity, and I think it is more important.

Both the invitation to Jesus and the invitation to demons are acts of faith and submission. Whatever else there may or may not be, this is what you are letting into your life — a faith or belief which will guide your values and actions. It is faith that transforms you; as Paul writes in Ephesians 2:8 "you have been saved, through faith."

The conspiracy movement is very much about beliefs. Part of our work is to find our way through the complex minefield of erroneous beliefs that have been constructed in order to manipulate and control us.

My purpose in this comment is not to argue against any belief system, but simply to advise caution. Always look beyond the belief to see how it will effect you and other people. Truths are constructed.

Nonoun

Eric Dubay said...

Excellent comments guys. Lots to think about. Thanks.

Rob said...

Hit the books, it isn't very constructive to gather main data from popular researchers, they work to be able to hit information quick and bring it into public or relative public knowledge, but "indepth" data is only achieved by deep documentary and if you're willing to, field investigations, physic and chemistry scientists can quickly bring you precise results given the correct reference data, non scientific books are best at teaching you general history of society, today we are simply repeating history once again, maybe within a more complex society than past ones, but social phenomenons happen everyday, we simply forget too fast, keep the knowledge flowing people, accumulate knowledge, knowledge is power and there is still a lot to know.

Anonymous said...

I have seen David speak. I have watched a lot of his videos and spent time on his website. He doesn't need to be debunked because he speaks the truth.

Eric Dubay said...

He doesn't need to be debunked because he speaks the truth.

Oops. Forgot Icke was infallible. My bad. :) Peace.

Anonymous said...

"He doesn't need to be debunked because he speaks the truth."

I think this is a wonderful statement, and I don't mean that sarcastically.

The most striking thing is that it is a statement of faith. One could substitute the references to David Icke, with references to Jesus, Darwin, or George W. Bush.

It demonstrates that what we call truth is not objective but subjective, our belief.

Rob quoted the famous motto "knowledge is power," scientia est potentia, often attributed to Francis Bacon. It should be the motto of the truth movement, our liberté, égalité, fraternité. But we need to understand it's claim.

Most people, I have found, interpret "knowledge is power" to mean that knowledge is a source of power, but the motto is more profound.

What we call knowledge, like what we call truth, is our belief; "I know this is true." Some people argue, for example, that if what a person knows isn't true then it isn't knowledge. This is to confuse knowledge with truth in the absolute sense. Our knowledge can be wrong.

Bacon's "knowledge is power" doesn't mean that knowledge leads to power, rather it means that knowledge, our beliefs about what is true, is power.

NOT
Knowledge => Power
BUT
Knowledge = Power
AND
Power = knowledge.

To express it another way, knowledge (what we believe to be true) creates power; power creates what we believe to be true.

What we continually discover in the truth movement is that what we know, what we call knowledge, is not true, but rather a constructed reality designed by power to deceive us. Our religions, our economic system, our legal system, these are just some examples. This, for me, is the central insight of the truth movement. If we grasp that knowledge and what we call truth are constructs, then we can begin to clear our minds of the programming we have received.

The argument in the film is that we should leap from the knowledge constructed by Icke to the knowledge constructed by Jesus and his followers. But I would argue that we must be suspicious of all claims about knowledge and truth, even our own claims. After all we have learnt, to base our life on knowledge and truth claims seems to me absurd, to have learnt no lessons. Rather, I suggest that values may provide us with a surer surface to stand upon.

muzuzuzus said...

"What we continually discover in the truth movement is that what we know, what we call knowledge, is not true, but rather a constructed reality designed by power to deceive us. Our religions, our economic system, our legal system, these are just some examples. This, for me, is the central insight of the truth movement. If we grasp that knowledge and what we call truth are constructs, then we can begin to clear our minds of the programming we have received.

The argument in the film is that we should leap from the knowledge constructed by Icke to the knowledge constructed by Jesus and his followers. But I would argue that we must be suspicious of all claims about knowledge and truth, even our own claims. After all we have learnt, to base our life on knowledge and truth claims seems to me absurd, to have learnt no lessons. Rather, I suggest that values may provide us with a surer surface to stand upon".

This has given me excuse to share with you this amazingly inspiring interview I listened to last night, and also a video I watched to day which should se watched after listening to the interview. Both speakers compliment each other in such a deep way.
This goes right to the heart of it for me because the central controlling myth IS of our consciousness--via their myths which are really negative propaganda. They use words and mannerism and of course force and coercion and drugs and ECT etc to entrap us on many different levels. Anyway please take time to checkout these links:

Therapy for psychosis with Daniel Mackler: Madness Radio (One of the MOST inspiring interviews I have ever heard!)

Mental Health Medication Side Effects & Psychiatry, Psychology John Breeding

Anonymous said...

Hi Muzuzuzus,

Those videos offer excellent illustrations of my thesis. Thanks so much. I really enjoyed listening to them.

Best wishes
Nonoun.

Anonymous said...

The Stanely Milgram experiment.

http://videosift.com/video/The-Original-Milgram-Experiment-1961

Nonoun

Anonymous said...

I have heard David Icke in an interveiw with Freeman. He explains that an alien invasion would be a hoax to unite mankind under one world government. He explains that the Illuminati (aliens in his stance) could still fake an alien invasion. The two things are not mutually exclusive. Aliens can exist and also fake an alien invasion by some invented rogue race.

Also, when I heard Icke speak, he never called for an end to world religions. In his own words, I will quote "I beleive a person should be able to do anything that person wants to do, as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of another person. "

If you are a Muslim, Jew, Christian, Taoist, and you do no harm or oppression to others,this would be totally in line with his philosophy. Maybe not how he would choose to live his own life, but still in line with his philosophy.

Finally, he is constantly saying to 'do your own research', find your own truth, be unique'.

I understand that you do not agree with an alien presence, and perhaps you do not see the potential of human evolution. Fair enough. But the accusations against Icke seem unsupportable and unprovable. Perhaps you should disagree with his stance, rather than his person?

-Andrea

Anonymous said...

@Andrea: the potential of human evolution -> the lesser people (~ 98% of world population) will evolve into corpses, and THEY into gods. I can't wait :))
How can you believe in their earnestness? THEY have killed and maimed countless people, they enjoy creating false enemies and see the people kill each other. Nevertheless, they want the good of us...

Xinyu Hu said...

The entire conspiracy movement is hijacked from the beginning. I don't mean just a part of the movement....the ENTIRE MOVEMENT itself is a pawn in a greater game that not even its members are totally aware of.

Unfortunately - Jesus does not exist, as there has been plenty of sun gods you can pick and choose from in the ancient time of illusory antiquity (which is now). Furthermore - there is more to Hollywood and television series than meet the eye...just because they are talking about aliens or cover-ups on the surface, does not mean they are not saying something else in a deeper, more subliminal manner. This is the ultimate deception and cause of human ignorance - and their inability to connect to WISDOM and AWARENESS which is RIGHT NOW...in the ETERAL MOMENT OF THE NOW.

Furthermore - there are no aliens, no god, no angels, and no demons - just an illusory concepts of god, angels, demons, aliens, and so-called, "conspiracy theorists" who have self-styled themselves as heroes of utter adoration and cult-like status of personality-hero-worship and demogagory. The new elite of the conspiracy movement is the NEW WORLD ORDER.

We don't need to worry about a so-called microchip either, because we have already taken it...(i.e. you THINK you are real in the 3D sense - that somehow you must save the 3D world from destruction - let the world be destroyed - the sooner it ends, the better, and the less I have to care about it - because it is NOT REAL).

This hopefully clears up all this intellectual nonsense that has been going on around here for so long now.


Xinyu Hu

new world order discussion said...

yes all these guys are shills, even zeitgeist was more than likely made by the elite.

but zeitgeist is the real answer - its just they are hijacking the idea to use it against us without you even knowing it. they want you to follow the zeitgeist movement which will manipulate the RSB into how they want it, with them still being the shadow eye at the top.

RSB and zeitgeist is the 100% truth to everything,THEY know this, and they realize more and more people have been figuring it out, thats why they made such a powerful film and movement that would truly catch the bulk of the audience.


and about religion and the bible - it might have had some relevance at its very first existence, but all were manipulated way before documentation. Even if it was genuine - it is still just stories of random travels and encounters of animals and other people perhaps, with some astrological observations.

religion has detached people from reality of their true surroundings. It provides no answers, solutions, knowledge, and it can be deciphered or interpreted a hundred different ways.

It's useless

Anonymous said...

i agree with Hu alot except the fact that the 3D earth will be moving to a higher frequency (scientist say they cant explain y the earth's frequency has changed drastically since the 80's) when that happens who will be left maybe none of us.. not like we deserve to stay....but i could be wrong
dave

Anonymous said...

Why then was David Icke one of the first people to come out publicly about the world conspiracy knowing full well he would be ridiculed (and still is by some). The world is waking and thinking more clearly and he has a lot to do with this. I understand what you are saying about false leaders, but I truly believe that David Icke has nothing but good intentions. This is not a man out to do harm, quite the opposite.

Anonymous said...

Just so fed up with defensive and not thinking christians..

Anonymous said...

The esoteric is the fact that Jesus was despised by worldly governments! Remember he is a King! Now, forsake the empire and SEEK THE KINGDOM! ! !
State means family. (estate)
Where all are free souls under God! Join a network of Kingdom seekers. HHC is a good start. Jesus died being faithful to His Father's Government on earth, at hand. Truth is a man's name. ( :

Gary said...

David Icke always came off to me as this freak that was just laughable. I read a few pages of one of his books and it just sounded funny as hell, like someone was baiting people into believing a load of crap. The stuff about reptilian aliens and hollow moon with laser beams is hard to take seriously without laughing.

And the reason I never thought he was real is because he's still breathing. Look at Gary Webb and Bill Cooper. They died for the truth. Icke gets to travel all over the world and give 7 hour lectures.

Besides Icke and Jones, what do you think of Jesse Ventura? I found him laughable too, actually worse than I did the other two. He had a show called Conspiracy theorists where he's like a detective and figures everything out so fast. He does provide interest stuff like them all, but it feels like he's been misdirected and a puppet. Just like Alex Jones too, all his supporters follow him and think he's some hero when he's portraying them exactly how the elite want them to, as crazy psychopaths.

Eric Dubay said...

I couldn't agree more Gary. Thanks for the comments!

Anonymous said...

David Icke belongs to the 'red team'
in the NWO.

The 'Blue Team' affirms life, love,
liberty.

The 'Red Team' affirms death, despair
and deception.

Ickes' co-conspirators are:

The Church of Scientology
Satanists
Socialists/Communists
Duncan Roads of Nexus magazine
Robert Pash of New Dawn magazine
David Hatcher Childress
Zecharia Sitchin
Marcus Allen of Nexus UK / UFO
conspiracy promoter.
Mark Koernke, Timothy McVeigh associate.
The Australian League of Rights,
The Confederate Action Party,
Ron Owen, Jeremy Lee, Aldis Ozols,
Dennis Stevenson, Peter Sawyer,
the Inverell Forum, Joe Vialls,
The New Citizen newspaper,
Tony Pitt, Perry Jewell,
Bill Kaiser, Dr Jim Saleam,
many, many other 'tools'.

Where these people go, deception,
despair and injustice follow.