Wednesday, October 12, 2016

The Flat Earth Society is Controlled Opposition!





The Flat Earth Society is a controlled opposition group that mixes truth with lies and satire to discredit genuine flat Earth research, a job they have been doing for a long time now.  Founded in 1970 by Leo Ferrari, a suspected Freemason and philosophy professor at St. Thomas' University, Leo spent his life making a mockery of the legitimate subject of our flat Earth.  Though he passed away in 2010, his Flat Earth Society still exists today online as a website/forum which, still true to form, purports several false flat-Earth arguments and treats the entire subject as a dead-pan joke.

In 1956 a genuine truth-seeker and flat-Earth researcher, Samuel Shenton, had started the IFERS (International Flat Earth Research Society) and was making quite an impact with his publications and interviews, revealing the truth of our flat Earth to the masses.  The globalists attempted to ignore the threat posed by Shenton for over a decade before finally creating their competing, farcical controlled opposition FES (Flat Earth Society) which has spent the past 45 years steering all flat-Earth inquiry into the realms of satire and sarcasm. 

To give an idea of how the controlled opposition works, consider the example of Leo Ferrari's pumpkin-sized rock he would always take during interviews and lectures claiming he brought the stone back from the edge of our flat Earth!  He would say, with a huge smirk on his face, how his boat had fallen over the edge but he was luckily saved by hanging onto this rock.  Clearly, treating our flat Earth in this tongue-in-cheek way discouraged people from taking the matter seriously.

Ferrari's entire schtick involved approaching the flat Earth subject from every angle EXCEPT the rational and scientific.  For example, he published a series of articles including "The Global Fallacy as a Cause of Racial Prejudice," arguing that people in countries at the top of the globe felt superior to those at the bottom, when in fact there was no top or bottom to the world, so, "even if one assumed that the world was spherical, the 'top' and 'bottom' have been arbitrarily selected, resulting in racial discrimination against those in the south.  How can the globularists, their hirelings and dupes, seriously claim to believe that all men are created equal when they teach that some men are eternally fated to hang like bats from the bottom of a globe on which other men stand upright?  The only solution is a flat Earth!"  So instead of presenting measurements or experiments, instead of presenting any proofs or evidence, Ferrari would often simply argue the flat Earth as a serendipitous satirical solution to social problems.

In a famous 1971 CBC interview Ferrari was asked, "how do you explain the fact that the Earth appears round in the pictures taken from space by the astronauts?"  Instead of answering and addressing the clear photo-trickery involved, Ferrari replied, "Simple.  No doubt you're familiar with Einstein's theory of the curvature of space.  If space is curved - and modern physics is based on that assumption - the Earth, from space, would appear circular.  It's a simple optical illusion."  This convoluted, pandering answer really is no answer at all and serves only to make the listener cock their head and raise an eyebrow.   

Around this time, Charles K. Johnson, another genuine flat-Earther, took over the IFERS from the recently deceased Shenton.  He and his wife Marjory, along with being flat-Earthers, were also vegetarians and anti-vivisectionist activists who campaigned for better treatment of our animal friends.  In 1974, when Johnson heard of Ferrari's budding organization, he decided to contact him and wrote a cordial letter requesting further information about his society, to which Ferrari never replied.  Two years later Johnson wrote another polite letter saying, how he was "delighted by the prospect of a like-minded campaigner," and said how it was "a very happy day" when he learned of Ferrari's society.  "I feel sure at the core we can't be too far apart in aims," Johnson wrote, "I do try to practice what I preach, to think and seek and search out reasonable ideas and concepts."  He closed saying that "he could hardly wait" to hear from Ferrari and hoped very much he would please reply.  After six months without a response, Johnson wrote one more time, explaining again his sole purpose to "enlarge his view" and "getting and holding onto the facts," which would benefit himself, and in time, the rest of the world.  He requested a reply and a copy of Ferrari's FES magazine.  In conclusion Johnson signed "thanks from the bottom of my heart," in advance, but warned that if Ferrari insisted on ignoring him once again, "I will then know for sure you are some kind of enemy of the Flat Earth work."  Eventually Ferrari did reply this time, but not with a message or magazine as requested, he simply enclosed a FES paid-application form.  

Johnson investigated Ferrari's organization further and found that he was using "the flat earth idea as a gimmick to entertain and promote the atheistic society."  From then on, Johnson worked hard to expand his IFERS and constantly for the rest of his life exposed Ferrari's FES, calling him a "false prophet guilty of muddying the waters of truth."  Near the end of his life, tragically Johnson's house burned down along with all the flat Earth materials he and Shenton had collected over their lifetimes.  Until his dying day, Johnson claimed the fire to be the result of arson by a NASA agent he had seen snooping around.

Nowadays the IFERS has disappeared and only Ferrari's FES exists as a website and message board maintained by moderators who, following in the footsteps of Ferrari, make a mockery of the whole thing and turn every thread into a joke deterring any serious flat Earth researcher from pursuing further.  The only redeeming aspect of their website is the library of other people's flat Earth material they maintain, which is actually quite good.  The current President, Daniel Shenton, (coincidentally NO relation to the genuine flat-Earther and IFERS founder Samuel Shenton) can be heard in the following clip, still "muddying the waters of truth," with several false flat Earth arguments:



Notice he says he is "not sure about the Sun, Moon and planets, but that they're probably spheres, but it's definitely not proven, I think."  He flip-flops his answers and expertly fumbles his words as if intentionally trying to sound scatter-brained.  Compare and contrast this shill with genuine flat Earth researchers like myself who will tell you unequivocally that the Sun, Moon, stars and "planets" are all merely luminaries, round discs of celestial light, NOT spherical terra firma capable of landing on as the Freemasons at NASA would have you believe.  He then goes on saying "the effects of gravity, I feel, could be simulated by the disc Earth moving upwards, accelerating upwards at 9.8 meters per second, would have the same effects of what people traditionally think of as gravity."  This ridiculous false flat-Earth argument also appears on Wikipedia and the FES homepage.  It is provably wrong as the "upwards accelerating disc" would smash into all helicopters, planes and hot-air balloons making sustained flight of any kind impossible, but they purposely promote these strawman arguments so flat Earth neophytes will rightly laugh off their dumb explanations, and then following suit, write off the entire subject.  


To combat Ferrari's Flat Earth Society controlled opposition forum, and in memory of Samuel Shenton, Charles Johnson, and other true flat Earth researchers of the past I have now (re)started IFERS, The International Flat Earth Research Society forum!  Please join up and help make this a useful and informative board!  Also help join and share my new Eric Dubay's Flat Earth Society group on Facebook which already has triple the FES following and growing fast! 

74 comments:

r0vier said...

http://orfe.princeton.edu/~rvdb/tex/sunset/ms.pdf

Anonymous said...

I am on the Zetetic council for the Flat Earth Society. You did not contact us before you wrote this for any information at all.

The Society has split into two BECAUSE half the society feels Daniel Shenton is a dreadful president. Many of the expert flat earthers left the old site and now reside on the new one. tfes.org. Daniel Shenton is not some kind of genius mastermind discrediting the society. He is a complete idiot and it shows in everything he says. And who is Leo Ferrari? We have never had any association with him at all. Our society is descended from Samuel Shenton, Johnson et al. I have no idea why you chose to turn your guns on us, we largely enjoy your work, but this is made up rubbish and discredits you.

Anonymous said...

You're wrong and you know it. "The best thing about scentific fact is that it's true if you believe it or not"
-Neil deGrasse Tyson

Ralf said...

Hi Eric,

Mind blowing & fascinating information you are presenting to the world, wow!

What is your take on this plz, some people are sure, that earth is really a planet, because it was created by Metateon, who based all of our 'sacred geometry' on the sphere!

Is there any evidence that this is true?

Cheers,
Ralf

Eric Dubay said...

rOvier, the assumed distances of/to the Sun are incorrect and all calculations are done assuming the Earth is a ball there, so this is in no way evidence or a proof of anything, just a bunch of calculations made based on faulty data.

For the Anonymous usurper of the "Zetetic" title, you are NOT the IFERS, you are the FES. These two organizations have existed simultaneously feuding for decades as I exposed in the article. After Johnson's house was burned down, he kept IFERS going until his death shortly after. Since then Ferrari's FES has been the sole FE organization in existence. Your FES has absolutely no legitimate claim to be "descended" from Shenton, Johnson et al., as you share the same name and modus operandi of their sworn enemy! If you were a continuation of the IFERS, you would have been called IFERS all these years, not FES. You are FES because you are the successors to Ferrari's FES. You claim the Earth is constantly accelerating upwards and put out other false-arguments to (as Johnson put it) "muddy the waters of truth." He called the FES "an enemy of the flat Earth work, yet you use the same name, false-arguments and satire that characterized the FES under Ferrari's presidency. You claim to be "descended" from genuine flat Earthers, but your farcical society's title, arguments and M.O. are identical to the flat Earth enemy's. Now that I'm exposing you, however, you want to claim that you ARE the "International Flat Earth Research Society!?" That's rich. You are the FES, the controlled opposition, the long-standing enemy of the IFERS, trying to assimilate the work of genuine flat Earther's into that Borg-like honey-pot operation you're running over there. I bet "Shenton" isn't even Daniel's real surname, probably just a fake name to muddy the waters further and subconsciously associate the FES with Shenton's old legitimate IFERS. The supposed "new" society split in two you're claiming is a joke. You still have the same name, logo, forum, FAQ, and your site admits you've recently just "reunited with your sister society," anyway so you're about as different from each other as someone with multiple personality disorder, excuse me, disassociate identity disorder, because you DID just have the audacity to claim descendency from IFERS, and claim not to even know who Leo Ferrari is!? The sworn enemy of genuine flat-Earthers, whose exact name and arguments you still use to this day, and you want to claim you've never even heard of him!? :) Your trolling days are over FES! Consider yourself exposed. Everyone who wants to be part of the genuine IFERS feel free to join, but anyone "muddying the waters of truth" with the same old FES controlled opposition bullshit will be banned. Only genuine flat Earthers and people interested in learning will be accepted:

The International Flat Earth Research Society

Eric Dubay said...

You're wrong and you know it. "The best thing about scentific fact is that it's true if you believe it or not" -Neil deGrasse Tyson

"The best thing about Neil DeGrasse Tyson is he's a Freemason if you believe it or not." -Eric Dubay

Neil DeGrasse Tyson Says Earth is Pear-Shaped

Ralf, what is your take on Earth really being a noodly appendage of the spaghetti monster based on the "sacred anatomy" of his flying stomach? :) You tell me, is there any evidence this is true? (P.S. I'm actually a big fan of sacred geometry and have created many Metatron's Cube artworks myself, but they are all based on circles, not spheres, and even if they were based on spheres this does not succeed in curving the measureable non-curvature of the flat Earth). Peace!

Vicki Victoria said...

Yes Eric, I concur. I listened to one of their new podcasts recently and thought their banter was distractingly pseudo-philosophical. They spent a lot of time on the Hollow Earth topic but it was philosophical and they kept reminding the listeners that the Hollow Earth was only speculation.. Which I thought was psychologically immersing Flat Earth and Hollow Earth together as "speculative theory". It's clever management control especially over the intelligentsia who are too nervous to leap. My thoughts were in one word....Tavistock.... We Will Lead Every Revolution Against Us

Ralf said...

Eric, thankyou for the reply!

Actually this wasn't my idea, a person named Jean Haines believes this!

What she did is that she deleted a comment by me, just like that, because it didn't fit her comfort zone, or believe system! Or maybe she has a hidden agenda, or motives, whichever, God knows.

There was nothing negative I posted Eric, nothing whatsoever!

She has at least 5000 people subscribed to her email list, which is likely a higher number, for those who just visit there.

I commented & pointed out, that there is actually very good evidence, that the earth is a flat plane! I mentioned you Eric & stated that you are able to back things up well. I also mentioned that there are others who wrote books of the flat earth. One as recent as 1972, the other was a detailed one in 1881.

Haines regularly posts weekly updates of Montague Keen, who is supposedly communicating from the other side, to his wife Veronica!
Or is Veronica just thinking out loud & sharing her thoughts in her weekly messages?

Surely those who are over on the other side, would know the shape of the earth wouldn't they? They would have a good view from above, wouldn't you think?

This week once again, the mention is made of planet earth, planet earth.

It certainly wasn't fair that Haines deleted my comment, or more likely, she is censoring information, that doesn't fit her comfort zone, or she possible has something to hide??

Veronica Keen, I have heard from others, could be & is likely getting information from the web, others have pointed this out. Then in her next Sunday message, she includes it in her weekly updates, which is supposedly just her husband communicating through her!

The fact that Haines censored my comment, I feel raises red flags. Haines obviously is not interested, when something doesn't fit her believe system. She obviously doesn't want her readers to find this out, does she?

Otherwise her friend Veronica may get upset!

So you see, I do find it disturbing that those who supposedly are communication from the other side, make no mention thereof of the flat earth plane!

Unless Veronica Keen is a fraud?

Your research is certainly fascinating!

Anonymous said...

THANK YOU!!!

This needed to be said. The "Flat Earth Society" is DEFINITELY controlled opposition. They are total fakes.

Notice that Leo Ferrari was a "professor" at St. Thomas', which is a catholic organization. You'll always find, sooner or later, the catholic/jesuit involvement. They're also the ones that have the "telescope" in Arizona that they name "lucifer". Catholic is not Christian.

As a Christian, I despise the lies the world keeps putting out there.

Thank you, Eric, for re-building the flat earth research. You are obviously stirring up trouble for them. Keep going. :)

Eric Dubay said...

Thanks so much Anonymous, will do!

Ralf said...

Opps, that should be "communicating".
Firefoxes spellchecker sometimes puts in words without me noticing, as I sometimes post in a hurry.

I do need to mention, that I used to trust Haines, without question. I pictured her as an absolute transparent, genuine & honest person till recently.

It would make sense, if she deletes comments which are obscene, vulgar, rude,threatening etc.

It is only right, that we do question everything, examine the evidence etc.

I never would have thought, that she is that type of person, ever!

If that was me, I would never just delete comments people posted, just because its contents may not fit in my belief system, or comfort zone!

I certainly do have my doubts of her now. She's obviously not as open, or genuine as I once believed.

Eric, what is your take of an expanding earth, is there any evidence, that it is expanding?
Is that even possible on a flat earthly plane?

Do you think that there are volcanoes & earthquakes just on this plane?

It never really made sense to me, of there being earthquakes & volcanoes on every other planet too, esp of a CREATOR designed them in the 1st place!

Do you think it is correct to assume, that volcanoes & earthquakes are limited to just this plane, or is there disharmony on other planes too?

Plz keep up the good work & plz be careful of agents, shills, imposters & infiltrators, who's aim is to prevent this from getting out to the the masses!

Once enough people become aware, they will not be able to prevent & stop the flood tide, because we are the majority, compared to the psychopathic 1% control freaks!

God speed:)

Anonymous said...

Eric I've read the blog for years and dig the research sometimes I think you might be the co Intel pro. For the forcing veganism on your readers and even though I genuinely think the earth is flat I just had the thought that wow eric dubays work is all over GLP bin and a few other sites. You probably are just passionate about being vegan and not co Intel though. The flat earth stuff is solid info. Thanks

Eric Dubay said...

Hey Ralf, I have no idea who Veronica Keen or Jean Haines are but glad to hear you're flexing your skeptical discernment muscle. Anonymous' discernment muscle is pretty weak. Writing articles about the benefits of vegetarian/veganism is not "forcing veganism" on people nor is it evidence of a cointel pro operation. It's evidence that I'm a healthy, compassionate eater and trying to help people and the animals:

Veganism Articles

I've long been banned from GLP and all the other controlled opposition boards. Someone else posting my material on there is not evidence of a cointel operation either.

Anonymous said...

Okay, I'm struggling with all of this again. Back to another question, wouldn't travelers by boat have noticed that the distances in the southern hemisphere is far longer than the globe earth presents?

In measuring latitude and longitude, I see that cities in the southern hemisphere, are exactly as far from each other as you'd expect from a globe earth. Granted, these are Google distances, so..... But that takes me back to the question. Wouldn't someone have noticed? Wouldn't even airline pilots today notice that they're not flying southern hemisphere routes that a globe earth would demand?

Eric Dubay said...

Wouldn't travelers by boat have noticed that the distances in the southern hemisphere is far longer than the globe earth presents?

Absolutely, they have: If the Earth were truly a globe, then every line of latitude South of the equator would have to measure a gradually smaller and smaller circumference the farther South travelled. In other words, the circumference at 10 degrees South latitude would comprise a smaller circle than at the equator, 20 degrees South latitude would comprise a circle smaller than 10, and so on. If, however, the Earth is an extended plane, then every line of latitude South of the equator should measure a gradually larger and larger circumference the farther South travelled. 10 degrees South latitude will comprise a larger circle than the equator, 20 degrees South latitude will comprise a circle larger than 10, and so on. Likewise, if the Earth were a globe, lines of longitude would bubble out at the equator while converging at both poles. Whereas if the Earth is an extended plane, lines of longitude should simply expand straight outwards from the North Pole. So which is actually the case?

“Upon the principle, as taught by Scripture and common observation, that the world is not a Planet, but consists of vast masses of land stretched out upon level seas, the North being the centre of the system, it is evident that the degrees of longitude will gradually increase in width the whole way from the North centre to the icy boundary of the great Southern Circumference. In consequence of the difference between the actual extent of longitudes and that allowed for them by the Nautical Authorities, which difference, at the latitude of the Cape of Good Hope, has been estimated to amount to a great number of miles, many Ship-masters have lost their reckoning, and many vessels have been wrecked. Ship-captains, who have been educated in the globular theory, know not how to account for their getting so much out of their course in Southern latitudes, and generally put it down to currents; but this reason is futile, for although currents may exist, they do not usually run in opposite directions, and vessels are frequently wrecked, whether sailing East or West.” -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (102)

During Captain James Clark Ross’s voyages around the Antarctic circumference, he often wrote in his journal perplexed at how they routinely found themselves out of accordance with their charts, stating that they found themselves an average of 12-16 miles outside their reckoning every day, some days as much as 29 miles. Lieutenant Charles Wilkes commanded a United States Navy exploration expedition to the Antarctic from August 18th, 1838 to June 10th, 1842, almost four years spent “exploring and surveying the Southern ocean.” In his journals Lieutenant Wilkes also mentioned being consistently east of his reckoning, sometimes over 20 miles in less than 18 hours.

Eric Dubay said...

“The commanders of these various expeditions were, of course, with their education and belief in the earth's rotundity, unable to conceive of any other cause for the differences between log and chronometer results than the existence of currents. But one simple fact is entirely fatal to such an explanation, viz., that when the route taken is east or west the same results are experienced. The water of the southern region cannot be running in two opposite directions at the same time; and hence, although various local and variable currents have been noticed, they cannot be shown to be the cause of the discrepancies so generally observed in high southern latitudes between time and log results. The conclusion is one of necessity, forced upon us by the sum of the evidence collected that the degrees of longitude in any given southern latitude are larger than the degrees in any latitude nearer to the northern center; thus proving the already more than sufficiently demonstrated fact that the earth is a plane, having a northern center, in relation to which degrees of latitude are concentric, and from which degrees of longitude are diverging lines, continually increasing in their distance from each other as they are prolonged towards the great glacial southern circumference.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe!” (261)

“February 11th, 1822, at noon, in latitude 65.53. S. our chronometers gave 44 miles more westing than the log in three days. On 22nd of April (1822), in latitude 54.16. S. our longitude by chronometers was 46.49, and by D.R. (dead reckoning) 47° 11´: On 2nd May (1822), at noon, in latitude 53.46. S., our longitude by chronometers was 59° 27´, and by D.R. 61° 6´. October 14th, in latitude 58.6, longitude by chronometers 62° 46´, by account 65° 24´. In latitude 59.7. S., longitude by chronometers was 63° 28´, by account 66° 42´. In latitude 61.49. S., longitude by chronometers was 61° 53´, by account 66° 38´.” -Captain James Weddell, “Voyages Towards the South Pole”

“In the southern hemisphere, navigators to India have often fancied themselves east of the Cape when still west, and have been driven ashore on the African coast, which, according to their reckoning, lay behind them. This misfortune happened to a fine frigate, the Challenger, in 1845. How came Her Majesty’s Ship ‘Conqueror,’ to be lost? How have so many other noble vessels, perfectly sound, perfectly manned, perfectly navigated, been wrecked in calm weather, not only in dark night, or in a fog, but in broad daylight and sunshine - in the former case upon the coasts, in the latter, upon sunken rocks - from being ‘out of reckoning,’ under circumstances which until now, have baffled every satisfactory explanation.” -Rev. Thomas Milner, “Tour Through Creation”

Eric Dubay said...

The equatorial circumference of the supposed ball-Earth is said to be 24,900 statute or 21,600 nautical miles. A nautical mile is the distance, following the supposed curvature of the Earth, from one minute of latitude to the next. A statue mile is the straight line distance between the two, not taking into account Earth’s alleged curvature.

The “Australian Handbook, Almanack, Shippers’ and Importers’ Directory” states that the distance between Sydney and Nelson is 1400 nautical or 1633 statute miles. Allowing a more than sufficient 83 miles as the distance for rounding Cape Farewell and sailing up Tasman Bay to Nelson leaves 1550 statute miles as the straight-line distance from the meridian of Sydney to the meridian of Nelson. Their given difference in longitude is 22 degrees 2’14”. Therefore if 22 degrees 2’14” out of 360 is 1550 miles, the entirety measures 25,182 miles. This is larger than the Earth is said to be at the equator, and 4262 miles greater than it would be at Sydney’s southern latitude on a globe of said proportions! One 360th part of 25,182 gives 70 miles as the distance between each degree of longitude at Sydney’s 34 degree Southern latitude. On a globe 25,000 miles in equatorial circumference, however, degrees of longitude at 34 degrees latitude would be only 58 miles, a full 12 miles per degree less than reality. This perfectly explains why Ross and other navigators in the deep South experienced 12+ mile daily discrepancies between their reckoning and reality, the farther South travelled the farther the divide.

“From near Cape Horn, Chile to Port Philip in Melbourne, Australia the distance is 9,000 miles. These two places are 143 degrees of longitude from each other. Therefore the whole extent of the Earth’s circumference is a mere arithmetical question. If 143 degrees make 9,000 miles, what will be the distance made by the whole 360 degrees into which the surface is divided? The answer is, 22,657 miles; or, 8357 miles more than the theory of rotundity would permit. It must be borne in mind, however, that the above distances are nautical measure, which, reduced to statute miles, gives the actual distance round the Southern region at a given latitude as 26,433 statute miles; or nearly 1,500 miles more than the largest circumference ever assigned to the Earth at the equator.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (52)

Eric Dubay said...

Similar calculations made from the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa to Melbourne, Australia at an average latitude of 35.5 degrees South, have given an approximate figure of over 25,000 miles, which is again equal to or greater than the Earth’s supposed greatest circumference at the equator. Calculations from Sydney, Australia to Wellington, New Zealand at an average of 37.5 degrees South have given an approximate circumference of 25,500 miles, greater still! According to the ball-Earth theory, the circumference of the Earth at 37.5 degrees Southern latitude should be only 19,757 statute miles, almost six thousand miles less than such practical measurements.

“The above calculations are, as already stated, only proximate; but as liberal allowances have been made for irregularities of route, etc., they are sufficiently accurate to prove that the degrees of longitude, as we proceed south-wards, do not diminish, as they would upon a globe, but expand or increase, as they must if the earth is a plane; or, in other words, the farthest point, or greatest latitude south, must have the greatest circumference and degrees of longitude.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy: Earth Not a Globe!” (258)

“Parallels of latitude only - of all imaginary lines on the surface of the Earth - are circles, which increase, progressively, from the northern centre to the southern circumference. The mariner's course in the direction of any one of these concentric circles is his longitude, the degrees of which INCREASE to such an extent beyond the equator (going southwards) that hundreds of vessels have been wrecked because of the false idea created by the untruthfulness of the charts and the globular theory together, causing the sailor to be continually getting out of his reckoning. With a map of the Earth in its true form all difficulty is done away with, and ships may be conducted anywhere with perfect safety. This, then, is a very important practical proof that the Earth is not a globe.” -William Carpenter, “100 Proofs the Earth is Not a Globe” (14)

Eric Dubay said...

Wouldn't someone have noticed? Wouldn't even airline pilots today notice that they're not flying southern hemisphere routes that a globe earth would demand?

Most pilots are just as brainwashed as everyone else. A few have seen through the deception though of course, see the thread/videos we have going at the IFERS board:

Flight Routes Thread

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Eric. These explanations helped. You're getting me back on the track.

Only one thing:

"From near Cape Horn, Chile to Port Philip in Melbourne, Australia the distance is 9,000 miles"

That is from the Earth Not a Globe text. But actually, the two are 9000 kilometers apart, not 9000 miles. That makes a big difference in the math. But again, my 9000 kilometers value is from Google. That comes out to 5681 miles.

Anonymous said...

How does the Satanically created Gregorian Calendar relate to the round earth deception?? Is it another piece of the puzzle to deceive us from the true calendar that the creator gave us?? I think that some thing is not right about this system. For all we know when the switch happened, thousands of years of history may have been erased.

Ralf Taube said...

Eric, the reason I mentioned of an expanding earth, is because of this article by James Maxlow, PhD:

"In NEXUS vol. 7, no. 6 (2000), and again in NEXUS vol. 8, no. 3 (2001), I introduced readers to the concept of an expanding Earth, whereby the Earth has been steadily increasing its radius, and hence its surface area..."

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_earthexpanding01.htm

Eric Dubay said...

Anon, check out these articles on calendrical / time manipulation. Ralf, using the theory of plate tectonics to "prove" the theory of an expanding Earth is just stacking assumption upon assumption with no evidence for either. The Russian Kola Ultradeep dug the deepest hole in history only getting 8 miles down, partially through the crust; the so-called outer mantle, inner mantle, outer core and inner core of the ball-Earth that we're all taught about it schools is a complete fabrication! There is no sound physical evidence supporting any of these theories, yet bored geologists trying to get a publishing deal will expound upon pure conjecture for an entire book and many will read and believe based on their perceived "authority" and "expertise" alone. Peace

Eric Dubay said...

Back to the Flat Earth Society controlled opposition, just look at this Vice.com interview with them to see how the misinfo psy-op works:

Yes, There are Still People Who Believe the Earth is Flat

For example, see the answer given for seeing different stars in different places on Earth:

"We all know some stars are visible from the Southern Hemisphere and not from the Northern Hemisphere, but the reason behind that is electromagnetic and optical acceleration through an aetheric whirlpool. We believe in cosmic speed, but in an esoteric sense."

What the hell are they talking about!? "Electromagnetic and optical acceleration through an aetheric whirlpool? Esoteric cosmic speed sense? Purposeful, pointless word salad to discredit the flat Earth message. The real reason, as given by the man whose work they're claiming to represent, is as follows:

“What can be more common than the observation that, standing at one end of a long row of lamp-posts, those nearest to us seem to be the highest; and those farthest away the lowest; whilst, as we move along towards the opposite end of the series, those which we approach seem to get higher, and those we are leaving behind appear to gradually become lower … It is an ordinary effect of perspective for an object to appear lower and lower as the observer goes farther and farther away from it. Let any one try the experiment of looking at a light-house, church spire, monument, gas lamp, or other elevated object, from a distance of only a few yards, and notice the angle at which it is observed. On going farther away, the angle under which it is seen will diminish, and the object will appear lower and lower as the distance of the observer increases, until, at a certain point, the line of sight to the object, and the apparently uprising surface of the earth upon or over which it stands, will converge to the angle which constitutes the ‘vanishing point’ or the horizon; beyond which it will be invisible.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (230-1)

The horizon is not the end of the heavens, it is merely the vanishing point of your perspective, so different stars are visible and appear at different inclinations wherever you are in the world. In fact, the range at which people all over the Earth are able to see the same stars does not fit with the globular model.

Eric Dubay said...

For instance, Ursa Major, very close to Polaris, can be seen from 90 degrees North latitude (the North Pole) all the way down to 30 degrees South latitude. The constellation Vulpecula can be seen from 90 degrees North latitude, all the way to 55 degrees South latitude. Taurus, Pisces and Leo can be seen from 90 degrees North all the way to 65 degrees South. Aquarius and Libra can be seen from 65 degrees North to 90 degrees South! The constellation Virgo is visible from 80 degrees North down to 80 degrees South, and Orion can be seen from 85 degrees North all the way to 75 degrees South latitude! An observer on a ball-Earth, regardless of any tilt or inclination, should not logically be able to see this far.

“Another thing is certain, that from within the equator the north pole star, and the constellations Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, and many others, can be seen from every meridian simultaneously; whereas in the south, from the equator, neither the so-called south pole star, nor the remarkable constellation of the Southern Cross, can be seen simultaneously from every meridian, showing that all the constellations of the south - pole star included - sweep over a great southern arc and across the meridian, from their rise in the evening to their setting in the morning. But if the earth is a globe, Sigma Octantis, a south pole star, and the Southern Cross, a southern circumpolar constellation, they would all be visible at the same time from every longitude on the same latitude, as is the case with the northern pole star and the northern circumpolar constellations. Such, however, is not the case.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (286)

Steamship said...

Thomas Sheridan believes that the recent revival of interest in Flat Earth Theory is a CIA psy-op. He gives absolutely no evidence to back up his claim and nor does he provide any to back up his avowed heliocentrism. He does, however, state that Flat Earthers should be, "Cut out of the Truth Movement like a cancer!" Ouch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qAVtSz7qoI

What do you have to say about that, agent Dubay?

Anonymous said...

Hello, I have read your blog and done research on flat earth for weeks now. Very interesting! I have so many questions, here's a few for now. Why is there craters on the moon and rings on Saturn? Why does the sun set if it's 3000 miles above us? The trignometry math doesn't add up to zero degrees. Have you tried looking at a sun or moon setting with binoculars and are you able to restore it whole? Have you heard of the Mayan's propency of a golden age on 12/21/12? That date came and went and the elites only continue to make things worse and worse for humanity. Do you believe the elites will be defeated "soon" as many of the alternate news sites claim and that the meek shall inherit? Other alternate sites are fearful that the elite will win and get their nuclear ww3 and destroy 90-95% of humanity. I for one hope the good guys defeat the elites very soon and that the whole world gets their freedom and learns the truth once and for all. Do you believe in some sort of dome above the sky? Some sites claim its a "quaratine" energy field created by aliens. Could so called aliens really be angels and demons? Thanks for your time!

Eric Dubay said...

Hey, I noticed that Steamship, I heard mention that he was sent my documentary and he has been going off about flat Earthers ever since. I wouldn't be surprised if Mr. Sheridan himself was a psychopath controlling the psychopathology opposition.

The Con Artistry of Thomas Sheridan

Is Thomas Sheridan a Psychopath?

Eric Dubay said...

Hey Anon, thanks for the questions. Let me answer your first question with one of my own. How do you know you're looking at "craters" on the Moon?

“Astronomers have indulged in imagination to such a degree that the moon is now considered to be a solid, opaque spherical world, having mountains, valleys, lakes, or seas, volcanic craters, and other conditions analogous to the surface of the earth. So far has this fancy been carried that the whole visible disc has been mapped out, and special names given to its various peculiarities, as though they had been carefully observed, and actually measured by a party of terrestrial ordinance surveyors. All this has been done in direct opposition to the fact that whoever, for the first time, and without previous bias of mind, looks at the moon's surface through a powerful telescope, is puzzled to say what it is really like, or how to compare it with anything known to him. The comparison which may be made will depend upon the state of mind of the observer. It is well known that persons looking at the rough bark of a tree, or at the irregular lines or veins in certain kinds of marble and stone, or gazing at the red embers in a dull fire will, according to the degree of activity of the imagination, be able to see many different forms, even the outlines of animals and of human faces. It is in this way that persons may fancy that the moon's surface is broken up into hills and valleys, and other conditions such as are found on earth. But that anything really similar to the surface of our own world is anywhere visible upon the moon is altogether fallacious.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (335)

The Moon is actually semi-transparent and not densely physical, so those surely aren't "craters" for little Mason moon-buggies to land on as NASA would have you believe. On a clear night, during a waxing or waning cycle, it is even possible to occasionally see stars and planets directly through the surface of the Moon!

Eric Dubay said...

On March 7th, 1794, four astronomers (3 in Norwich, 1 in London) wrote in “The Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Astronomical Society” that they “saw a star in the dark part of the moon, which had not then attained the first quadrature; and from the representations which are given the star must have appeared very far advanced upon the disc.” Sir James South of the Royal Observatory in Kensington wrote in a letter to the Times newspaper April 7, 1848, that, "On the 15th of March, 1848, when the moon was seven and a half days old, I never saw her unillumined disc so beautifully. On my first looking into the telescope a star of about the 7th magnitude was some minutes of a degree distant from the moon's dark limb. I saw that its occultation by the moon was inevitable … The star, instead of disappearing the moment the moon's edge came in contact with it, apparently glided on the moon's dark face, as if it had been seen through a transparent moon; or, as if a star were between me and the moon … I have seen a similar apparent projection several times … The cause of this phenomenon is involved in impenetrable mystery." In the monthly notices of the Royal Astronomical Society for June 8, 1860, Thomas Gaunt stated that the "Occultation of Jupiter by the moon, on the 24th of May, 1860, was seen with an achromatic of 3.3 inches aperture, 50 inches focus; the immersion with a power of 50, and the emersion with a power of 70. At the immersion I could not see the dark limb of the moon until the planet appeared to touch it, and then only to the extent of the diameter of the planet; but what I was most struck with was the appearance on the moon as it passed over the planet. It appeared as though the planet was a dark object, and glided on to the moon instead of behind it; and the appearance continued until the planet was hid, when I suddenly lost the dark limb of the moon altogether.” I have personally also seen stars through the edge of the waxing/waning Moon. It actually happens fairly often; if you are diligent and specifically observing for the phenomenon on starry nights you can occasionally see it even with the naked eye.

“During a partial solar eclipse the sun's outline has many times been seen through the body of the moon. But those who have been taught to believe that the moon is a solid opaque sphere, are ever ready with ‘explanations,’ often of the most inconsistent character, rather than acknowledge the simple fact of semi-transparency. Not only has this been proved by the visibility of the sun's outline through segments, and sometimes the very centre of the moon, but often, at new moon, the outline of the whole, and even the several shades of light on the opposite and illuminated part have been distinctly seen. In other words we are often able to see through the dark side of the moon's body to light on the other side.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (337)

“That the moon is not a perfectly opaque body, but a crystallized substance, is shown from the fact that when a few hours old or even at quarter we can through the unilluminated portion see the light shining on the other side. Stars have also been observed through her surface!” -J. Atkinson, “Earth Review Magazine”

Eric Dubay said...

The Sun and Moon spotlights are perpetually hovering over and parallel to the surface of the Earth. From our vantage point, due to the Law of Perspective, the day/night luminaries appear to rise up the Eastern horizon, curve peaking high overhead, and then sink below the Western horizon. They do not escape to the underside of the Flat-Earth as one might imagine, but rather rotate concentric clockwise circles around the circumference from tropic to tropic. The appearance of rising, peaking and setting is due to the common Law of Perspective where tall objects appear high overhead when nearby, but at a distance gradually lower towards the vanishing point.

“Although the Sun is at all times above and parallel to the Earth’s surface, he appears to ascend the firmament from morning until noon, and to descend and sink below the horizon at evening. This arises from a simple and everywhere visible law of perspective. A flock of birds, when passing over a flat or marshy country, always appears to descend as it recedes; and if the flock is extensive, the first bird appears lower, or nearer to the horizon than the last. The farthest light in a row of lamps appears the lowest, although each one has the same altitude. Bearing these phenomena in mind, it will easily be seen how the Sun, although always parallel to the surface of the Earth, must appear to ascend when approaching, and descend after leaving the meridian or noon-day position.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Earth Not a Globe, 2nd Edition” (85)

“What can be more common than the observation that, standing at one end of a long row of lamp-posts, those nearest to us seem to be the highest; and those farthest away the lowest; whilst, as we move along towards the opposite end of the series, those which we approach seem to get higher, and those we are leaving behind appear to gradually become lower … It is an ordinary effect of perspective for an object to appear lower and lower as the observer goes farther and farther away from it. Let any one try the experiment of looking at a light-house, church spire, monument, gas lamp, or other elevated object, from a distance of only a few yards, and notice the angle at which it is observed. On going farther away, the angle under which it is seen will diminish, and the object will appear lower and lower as the distance of the observer increases, until, at a certain point, the line of sight to the object, and the apparently uprising surface of the earth upon or over which it stands, will converge to the angle which constitutes the ‘vanishing point’ or the horizon; beyond which it will be invisible.” -Dr. Samuel Rowbotham, “Zetetic Astronomy, Earth Not a Globe!” (230-1)

Eric Dubay said...

Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist and nuclear waste ("fallout") is harmless, so you don't need to worry about that. As for whether or not "the good guys" will win, it totally depends on how many good men and women stand up against the evil men and women ruling this world. We are writing the history of the future in this present moment, and I'm doing my best to make sure us good guys win! I'm still skeptical about what is below, above and beyond our flat Earth, though I think the dome option is quite likely as the ancients seem pretty unified on this concept:

“From the earliest times it has been believed and said that the heavens were not an empty space, but a solid surface. The Chaldeans and Egyptians regarded the sky as the massive cover of the world; and in India and Persia it was thought to be a metallic lid, flat or convex, or even pyramidal. Up to the 17th century the earth was always regarded as the centre of an empty sphere with solid walls; and on this account, it was always represented with a cover. This indispensable complement, however, was eliminated upon the advent of the theory of gravitation, for convenience sake, as a solid dome limiting the space round the earth would have rendered impossible the extravagant motions of the planets which were sent revolving in the air at phenomenal distances. Thus from this time, the fact universally accepted for thousands of years that the sky is a firm surface, completely disappeared. Nevertheless, the possible existence of a solid vault over the earth is a question of great importance in view of the tremendous consequences which would result from this fact, if it happened to be true. There is no doubt that the general reaction is one of incredulity; but, on the other hand, it can be considered that it is not without reason that the ancients believed in the existence of the material vault of heaven; nor without reason, either, that this notion should have been consistently handed down through the ages since the earliest times up to the 17th century, in all parts of the world … The planets are not solid, opaque masses of matter, as is believed. They are simply immaterial, luminous and transparent discs; and in view of these circumstances, it is plain that the craters, asperities, mountains and valleys which were thought to exist on the surface of these imaginary masses, are the topographic features of the solid vault of the sky which are illuminated and thrown into relief by the luminous and transparent discs which we call planets. It is also to be realized that the lens of the telescope creates an appearance of convexity which, standing out in relief, conveys the impression of a spherical mass, but this convexity effect is merely an optical illusion.” -Gabrielle Henriet, “Heaven and Earth” (22-23)

Anonymous said...

Okay, Eric, I have asked this to a couple other people as well, because it is just getting to me.

The SH flight times, are going to keep being used by the ball earth crowd. They harp on this on EVERY Youtube flat earth video, no matter who puts it up.

So can you help me with this, Eric?

There are only a few direct, non-stop flights from one SH city to another. Just a few. There are tons of one-stop flights. But even those one-stop flights, don't mesh with our current understanding of the flat earth map.

Going right to the granddaddy of all, between Australia/NZ and South America. Flights from Melbourne to Santiago: http://www.kayak.com/flights/MEL-SCL/2015-03-26

There are many one stop flights (I deleted the two stops to make the point), but the one stop ends up being either Sydney, or NZ, and then on direct from there to Santiago, usually within about 12 hours.

Thus, these are in effect, all non-stop flights, getting there in about 12 hours.

Which the round earth crowd is pointing out in the comments section on virtually every flat earth video, no matter who puts up the video.

So this seems to me to be an insurmountable hurdle to get over. The 12 hour flight seems to favor the round earth.

The only way I can get this to work with a flat earth map, is if the current accepted flat earth map, is wrong.

In other words, if South America is bigger and actually more bent towards the north pole and therefore closer to Australia, then the argument is nothing for the round earth crowd. Then we would say that the map is just wrong. The case can be made that every map of every kind, is wrong.

What thoughts might you have on this?

Eric Dubay said...

Anonymous, most of the flights are about 12.5 hours and cite an average flight speed of approximately 580mph which means an approximate distance of 7250 miles going from the southern latitudes on one side of the flat disc, to the southern latitudes on the other side. Both the ball-Earth and flat-Earth standard maps have an approximate diameter of 8000 miles so these flight distances/times are actually much more congruent with the flat model, otherwise you would have to add the curvature of the ball onto the 8000 mile diameter making these flight times too short, not for the flat model, but for the ball model! We have dissected the various arguments in depth at the IFERS board, please join and share if you find anything helpful. Peace!

Flight Routes Thread

Anonymous said...

Dear Eric, what do you think are sinkholes?

Just to think about it, they get even scarier in a flat earth scenario. You know, you would fall through earth to an eternal fall. Or even would fall straight to hell.

What is your opinion about sinkholes? What are they?

Rahsaan Motley said...

I have a question Eric, what killed the dinosaurs if the earth is surrounded by a ice dome? Are meteorites and astroids just ice breakage from the dome?Everthing has to be questioned about modern societies views cause history has been manipulated by the powers that be. Many so called scientific societies such as NASA is manipulated and is manipulating the whole world. Do you also believe that most people who join organizations such as NASA have to initiated into freemasonry or occult groups or is it a bloodline thing since most leaders have some type of historical relation to the illuminati bloodlines.

Anonymous said...

I always wondered how the hell Will Smith, a mediocre "rapper", became a major jewlywood actor. These masons have a loose club, any idiot can join the IQ points dont have to be up really. Its a club of clowns. Lions paw lol!!!!!! the guy will turn into a mouse if he saw anything remotely close to a war.

Anonymous said...

Thank you, Eric, for the flight time answer.

Anonymous said...

Eric, thank you for your work.

One question: what causes the sun to appear the same size and shape as it recedes toward the horizon instead of becoming smaller and horizontally thinner, as a disk might do as it receds?

Anonymous said...

This maybe a silly question but in flat earth theory do we have magnetic fields. How if at all is the information in here convertable or useful to our theory? http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2015/03/what-happens-to-us-when-magnetic-field.html

Eric Dubay said...

Hey Anonymous, good questions as to what sinkholes are exactly. I don't know, but between those sinkholes and large natural underground caverns I've seen, it seems the Earth is certainly hollowed out in certain areas. Rahsaan, I recommend checking out my Flat Earth Conspiracy book where I cover all the evidence that dinosaurs never existed. Also see the following:

The Dinosaurs Never Existed

Dinosaurs: Science or Science Fiction?

For the Sun questions, when light of any kind shines through a dense medium it appears larger, or rather gives a greater glare, at a given distance than when it is seen through a lighter medium. This is more remarkable when the medium holds aqueous particles or vapor in solution, as in a damp or foggy atmosphere. You can see this by standing within a few yards of a street lamp, and noticing the size of the light; on going away to many times the distance, the light upon the atmosphere will appear considerably larger. This phenomenon may be noticed, to a greater or less degree, at all times; but when the air is moist and vapory it is more intense. It is evident that at sunrise, and at sunset, the sun's light must shine through a greater length of atmospheric air than at mid-day; besides which, the air near the earth is both more dense, and holds more watery particles in solution, than the higher strata through which the sun shines at noonday; and hence the light must be dilated or magnified, as well as modified in color.

And for the magnetization question, the Earth is like a ring magnet found in loudspeakers with the North pole being in the very center and the opposite pole being every point along the outer circumference. This kind of magnet actually exists. The kind of magnet they claim the Earth to be doesn't even exist. They say the molten magnetic core causes N/S poles to exist on opposite ends of the ball Earth, but there is no "ball magnet" that actually works this way. These poles conveniently move around all the time too so they always have an excuse why the places they call the N/S poles clearly aren't the poles.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Eric for your answer on magnetism. My husband who is skeptical to say the least surprised me by discussing flat earth with colleagues at work. One of his colleagues dismissed it by stating that his son had watched a sunset from the base of BURJ KHALIFA — THE WORLD'S TALLEST TOWER in Dubai, then gone up the tower and watched the sunset again from the top. He claimed this indicated that the earth must be curved to be able to see it set again. Can you explain this?

Anonymous said...

Hi, Eric. I have another inquiry.

What do you think of earth chakras? If the location of all 7 major earth chakras are known, this implies that the earth is not infinite. For example the location of the crown chakra in Nepal, and the root chakra at Rocky Mountains in U.S.

Do you agree that the earth is finite on this?

Thank you.

geo said...

Hi eric been a fan of your work for a few years now. I was wondering if you've seen the work of "Markksargent". His flat earth series is very good. I hope the two of you can do an interview or podcast together, and he seems open to it.


https://m.youtube.com/results?q=markksargent&sm=3

geoffrey camposano said...

https://m.youtube.com/results?q=markksargent&sm=3

Eric I hope you can do an interview with this guy. His flat earth series is really good.

Anonymous said...

I have watched the clues series by Mark Sargent. I agree they are very good. My husband is still skeptical and finds fault with the travel in the Southern Hemisphere one,

Anonymous said...

doubt Andrew Jackson was a mason showing his paw there, he fought tirelessly to kill the banks and was successful. Could be he was a mason at a time that the masons were still the masons and not hijacked by zionest banking elite but still its doubtful he had any ill intentions, he is one of the last great american leaders.

Anonymous said...

Hello Eric, just found out about your work and bought your book, thanks for your work, stay alert and safe. my questions are many but hope to find answers in your forums. but cant find one, and that is, what would have created the craters on our earth, I live in au and we have a couple of real big ones here... would love to hear your thoughts on this please. or do you cover this in your book.

Daniel Miles said...

Which Earth, of the four biblical:
1 - OldEarth created by PluralGod(elohyim) having no form: Genesis 1:1,2.
2 - OldEarth, made by PluralGod, called dry: Genesis 1:10.
3 - NewEarth, created by LordGOD(AdonayY@hovah): Isaiah 65:17.
4 - NewEarth, made by LORD(Y@hovah): Isaiah 66:22

Notes:
- created(bara) IsNot made(asah), and Creator is not Maker; As Law(good + evil) IsNot Grace(good only). So when it came to man, it's let us make(asah) man; Yet 2 options given: Before: "in our image(tselem)" & After: "after our likeness(d@muwth). So both of Adam1(soul) & Adam2(spirit) were made, but both are anthropos, even though Adam2 is Lord from heaven. Interesting stuff.
- re Y@hovah, notice Amos 5:18 says this LORD (of 2 LORDs in plural Psalms: begin = Y@hovah, end = Yahh) is darkness, not light; So woe to any who desire to see his day (perhaps apocalypse)
- re Creator/Maker (Before/After) 1Peter 5:10 KJV's ye/you seems to suggest Meet Your Maker = After, and such called God of all grace (aka no law)

So, not only WHICH EARTH?, but WHICH GOD? ... if using Bible

Not to mention Colossians 3 says our focus should be on things above, Not on things on earth; Not to mention Col 3 has two kinds of above: ano & epi, Perhaps as if high & higher in Hebrews, of which only higher is called harmless.

ALSO, what about EXIT strategy; Seems to be no exit to Flat Earth-ers if it is enclosed, aka has top, side, bottom barrier limits, as if to confine or quarantine such children vs children till they grow in grace, and get a God permit to leave (Hebrews 6) the plural (dualism) principles in order to go on unto perfection; AsIf leaving DUALism for ONEderful, allegorically speaking.

Perhaps TrueGod knows you can't get any real rest with unlearned children running to & fro, having high tech weapons, playing cops & robbers, so to speak. So, maybe FlatEarth is kinda like a play pen, with laws, till the children grow beyond harmful them1 vs them2 & them vs us to harmless us.

Just some thoughts about such. Not saying Ball vs Flat, Nor any wrong, per se, just more to learn.

Anonymous said...

yes I have wondered if we come back (re-incarnate) till we become "light" sort of prove that we have learnt how to behave, when it becomes natural for us to be of a curtain level of understanding, then we are freed of this plain and ascend to a higher one, but alas I really think its wishful thinking, regardless, to me it is important to do do as least harm as i can so I can die knowing I have at least not been part of the extreme cruelty that is the norm.

Anonymous said...

Eric, the bible based theory that comes to my mind about misterious gravity , is that it is a force that comes directly from the Creator/Great Radiant Spirit. "Gravity" gives us our "up" and "down" notions. So we know the Throne is above the earth... So I see it's a spiritual force that repels material or dense objects, wich push our phisical bodys and other things to the ground, or away from Him. Thats also why I think the rebel ones throw rockets up and flyin machines to defy this force, or defy the Creator more directly. Like a kind of modern babel tower...

Also the firmament is protection from His glory ("mountains melt like wax before the Lord" psalm 97 gives a lot of info.)
And serves to hold the material creations together here without them goin to the abyss/darkness

Keep on the truth, peace

Anonymous said...

Hey Eric,Thanks for your effort.
Do you believe some organization maybe nasa prevent us to see other places of the flat earth because it's not likely their lies don't came out in the world map,maybe the world is much much bigger,do you agree ?

aplanetruth said...

Just posted my tribute to Charles and Marjory Johnson,publishers of 19 vol.s of Flat Earth News newsletters.
http://aplanetruth.info/2015/04/10/flat-earth-news-charles-k-johnson-72424-31901/

Anonymous said...

What about the supposed approach of Planet X to
Earth, is this really occurring ?

jason palmer said...

Eric, thanks for the great website. Of course there are many things I don't understand from a flat earth perspective. For instance, why does the sun appear to set below the horizon as does the moon? Also, in the flat earth model Buenos Aries appears to be on the opposite side of the world,(from Syndey) but Qantas and LAN airlines will fly you to Santiago in Chile from Sydney direct in 11 hours. Can you explain?
Also, I noticed you teach yoga, a Hindu practice. How do you reconcile thus practice with the belief in a created flat earth?
Regards
Jason

Anonymous said...

WHY ARE THE SEASONS IN NEW ZEALAND OUT OF PHASE WITH NORTH AMERICA IF EARTH IS NOT ROUND? WHY IS THE SUNLIGHT FAR STRONGER IN COLUMBIA THAN NEW YORK?

Steffen Metts said...

Then if the earth is flat this creates other questions/problems. How do you integrate the whole idea of ufos, spirits, concept of a creator or god? If were are living under a dome the only thing i can think of is spirits/beings that resonate at a higher vibration can pop in and out of our reality like avatar, but since we are flesh and blood we can't penetrate the wall or maybe we can? People keep talking about the flat earth, now it's time to take it to the next level how does the integrate with everything else. Most people start their "conspiracy journey" with 9/11, and now most people agree that it was all a set up by our government. Then people accept the fact that there is the cabal and then people eventually move onto life in the universe aliens etc. Im very empathic and i'm very much connected with my spirit. My mind body and spirt for that matter! So if you don't believe we have no connection to source and spirit then i will follow another flat earther because i know it to be so but if you do. Lets proceed! The only thing i can come up with is that universe is real and composed of many planets but not the "universe" we live in. We are a separate created holographic bubble "planet" not apart of the real universe. Then there is the topic of ascension i mean it goes on and on. I mean we definitely need more research on flat earth but now we should start piecing everything together. You can get people to believe in aliens,the illuminati even reptilians but having a flat earth is going to be hard for people to digest. But back to my original point we need to start briding the flat earth theory with the other theories of the universe. I would like to hear what you have to say about this. keep up the good work man :)

Anonymous said...

This site is Awesome !!!

Anna Blair said...

As I review an array of material there is one thing which becomes evident. There is more bickering between people who are allegedly, "on the same team" than between people who are allegedly NOT, "on the same team". *Allegidly being the operative word. Reminds me of the early days of the WWF.

Anonymous said...

My problem with all this is simple... no one... not even admiral byrd has said to have seen the edge of the dome so its only logical to think the dome itself is a theory unproven however the idea of the the earth being flat is easily proven by simple experiments such as putting a ball in front of a light bulb then putting a dinner plate in front of a light bulb and looking at the differences of the shadows among other things... we are explorers by our nature so we always look for our boundaries and beyond... so assuming we know where the actual edge is, is preposterous... antarctica the frozen ring surrounding us is the farthest point we know of... i think it would be safe to assume that if admiral byrd did travel to the outer part of the ring he probably only seen a portion of whats beyond and did not travel the whole circumference of the outer ring to see other land masses beyond the ring... i would like to help others open their eyes to the fact we have been fooled for hundreds of years to fit an agenda made by whomever to control our impulse to explore and acquire true knowledge... knowledge is true power after all... so if anyone reading this can give a few good pointers on how to go about telling people the earth is flat without them becoming skeptical and instantly putting me into the crazy conspiracy guy category i would genuinely be grateful... sincerely a seeker of truths

Unknown said...


The next equinox will occur in about 3 weeks on the 23rd of September.


There are 2 equinoxes per year, with the earth's inclination to the sun being exactly perpendicular, or 0 degrees to the sun. What this means is that if you're on the equator, the sun will rise from exactly east (090 degrees), rise vertically in the sky in a completely straight line, until exactly midday, when it is directly overhead. From this point, the sun descends in a completely straight line vertically down to and then below the horizon in the exact west (270 degrees).


So on this day, the sun rises in the morning and descends again in the afternoon in a completely straight line (without curve).


If we look at the flat earth model, the sun is not moving in the sky due to the earth's rotation, but because it's actually the sun that is transcribing a circular path over the earth's surface, and completes 1 complete circle every 24 hours.


In the flat earth model, the sun can NEVER be observed to move in a completely straight line, due to the fact that it is ALWAYS travelling in a circular path over the earth's surface. The only time that an observer would be able to say that they can observe seeing the sun moving in a straight line, would be if they were at the same height as the sun itself.


So here we have a test for the plausibility or not of the flat earth model, based on the observation that on the equator on the 23rd of September, the sun's movement in the sky will be a completely straight line, from the time the sun is first observed in the morning until it passes out of sight in the evening. If the sun is indeed observed to make a completely straight line in the sky, then this will completely debunk the flat earth model that requires that the sun is ALWAYS travelling in a curved path.

Bill Lancaster said...

Hey guys... well... I saw a random vid the other day, watched everything imaginable about flat earth on yt, and a I am convinced that the earth is a plane. I had a very similar experience with the spiritual side of my development about 30 odd years ago, so this revelation isn't surprising to me (I had a vision appear on my wall on June 23, 1995 which opened a spiritual door in my inner heavens, and knocked my socks off!) This is exactly like Elohim always does! The many membered God always sets up one paradyne, and then suddenly shifts it, and replaces it with another more beautiful appropriate, superior one! Besides, God needs the greed lusting Babylonian bastards who currently run our world to do the evil grunt work required to create more Elohim, anyhow, just like he needed Judas and Herod in Jesus's time! So, here it is in a nutshell - when I hear a truth, that uses intelligent common sense, and it rings true with the Spirit of God within me, I go with it, even when the rest of the world condemns it! Screw what men think! When. Did mankind ever get anything right?
The earth is flat, and if it is not, then at least I can rest assured that it IS NOT A SPHERE! Cheerio! bb

Paul Thomas said...

Eric, I am interested in reading the IFERS forum, has this been archived anywhere? Thanks.

Flavius Josephus said...

Can't vouch for the functionality but the wayback machine has an image.
http://web.archive.org/web/20150330070848/http://ifers.boards.net/

What caused the TOS deletion?

Anonymous said...

I have a pretty good theory on why we see stars above us if we are on an infinite plane but I have no real scientists or philosophers to speak with about this.. What do I do??

Paul Thomas said...

Flavius Josephus— Thanks, that seems to work. Also it seems it has been put up again here: http://ifers.ace.st/

Winston Ball said...

Wow what is going to happen when the masses find out this has all been a lie?

Anonymous said...

Hi Eric. I've been researching flat earth for a few months now and have to say I am extremely interested, to say it has captured my interest would be a gross understatement. While debating earth curvature with a friend, I was presented with some math that to be honest, I'm unsure about. Her equation is as follows; based on a 3959 mile radius, which works out to a 6225 mile circumference for that radius, the drop should be .0125 mile drop per 100 miles along the circumference, or about 50ft. These numbers don't jive with a lot of figures I've been seeing. Myself, being weak to say the least at math, am looking at an equation I found on a picture of the Danyang-Kunshan bridge, claiming that there would be a 6996.5 ft drop over the 102.4miles of bridge. Now these numbers aren't even close to comparable. Could I possibly get your take on the equation? From what I've seen from your presentations, you appear to have a good understanding of the math involved. Thank you for your hard work. Prentice G.

Andrew Lankes said...

The earth's circumference according to google is 24,901 miles. LOL So, where is your friend getting 6225 mile circumference? LOL This proves the mental illness of globe supporters.

Mary Martha said...

Wow from a paltry few comments on the last post to 70 for this one...I do have a funny for you. I am in Minnesota and googled Flat earth Minnesota just the other day to see what would turn up. and I found something AMAZING! We have the one and only FLAT EARTH BREWING CO.
Yes indeed ladies and gents of the the flat earth persuasion. You can find your beer here:
www.http://flatearthbrewing.com/home.php or google flat earth brewing co. MN
2 of the funniest concoctions are Angry Planet Pale Ale and
The Livid Planet Pale Ale.
Really I am not kidding. This place really exists. Unlike Dinosaurs and Nukes...and the ball earth.
They have a "Geeks who Drink" pub quiz night and a group called" 2 Right Brains" as musical entertainment.
Alas, I do not believe they are serious about the Flat Earth...But it sounds like they have fun.
Since I am headed to St. Paul this weekend for something else I will stop in and toast Eric as he has turned 34....I will also toast flat earth, no dinos, no nukes...and call a cab...I will post my review later. Just doing my civic flat earth duty.
Mary Martha



Customer Segmentation said...

Atlantean Conspiracy,

Interesting perspective about controlled opposition. Very interesting insight on this blog.

Dennis

Wolf/Hazey said...

Thank you very much for this Eric. I am just reading online the .pdf versions of Terra Firma and Zetetic Astronomy - Earth not a globe. Very interesting and informative stuff. Can't believe ithey were written in 1901 and 1865!! Thank you for bringing these to my attention, there is still much more I have to read and understand but I believe it is an ongoing journey. Whenever I attempt to talk to my friends about anything like this they laugh it off and think I'm crazy. Here is a story to make you laugh Eric I couldn't believe it either, me and my friend were looking at the moon one night and I said "isn't it mad you can only see one side of moony" and my friend said, "no you can't you can see the other side of it," proceeded to get her "smart"phone out and went on a " moon app" where you can drag your finger across the screen and the moon rotates and she thought this was "evidence" of the moon having two sides. I just couldn't believe the ignorance of it. I Laughed and said.. are you joking. but no, she was being deadly serious. So What is wrong with people? I feel like I am in isolation where I live. I am made to feel like i am wrong, like I am crazy because I have done a little research instead of just accepting everything we've been taught in life as truth. Thank you Eric for helping me expand my mind and confirming that I am not mad after all.

Anonymous said...

Hi Eric,

Stumbled across your site and all this other flat Earth stuff lately. I am 33. I live a very unique life, I'm well off and don't have to do most of the things that other people do. So I've spent my time analyzing and looking at the world from a very different view. Your ideas are definitely possible. However, I fail to see any real traction from your efforts. I have to propose my idea of a solution for you. You really must become more popular, Eric. You must find a way to seek correlation with relevance. Neil deGrasse, for example, propagates his beliefs effortlessly with a simple tweet due to his popularity. You can sit here, steaming about it, or you can reach your own level of popularity. I suggest you find what that is and focus on that. It really bugs me to see a legitimate argument like yours being ushered into the same facet as people who believe in the Annunaki and people who make crystal necklaces for powers. I really hope you can find some way to increase your popularity. Keep posting your stuff, it's very interesting, and I know that the Earth is planar in some regions.

-BT

Mike S said...

Eric,
Truly great work. Globe stuff never made intuitive sense anyway. Even my 8 year old can't be convinced about the globe. Anyway, I'm sure it's covered in various parts of your writings but can guide to the writings that cover events like the super moon.?
Re Wolf/Hazeys experience: find a day where just before sunset when the moon has come up and partially eclipsed. Then ask a friend to explain and look at their expression.

Thx and keep it up