Wednesday, July 13, 2016

Architects & Engineers for Flat Earth Truth



Surveyors, engineers and architects are never required to factor the supposed curvature of the Earth into their projects, providing another proof the world is a plane, not a planet.  Canals and railways, for example, are always cut and laid horizontally, often over hundreds of miles, without any allowance for curvature.

One surveyor, Mr. T. Westwood, wrote into the January, 1896 “Earth Review” magazine stating that, “In leveling, I work from Ordinance marks, or canal levels, to get the height above sea level.  The puzzle to me used to be, that over several miles each level was and is treated throughout its whole length as the same level from end to end; not the least allowance being made for curvature.  One of the civil engineers in this district, after some amount of argument on each side as to the reason why no allowance for curvature was made, said he did not believe anybody would know the shape of the earth in this life.” 

Another Surveyor and Engineer of thirty years wrote to the Birmingham Weekly Mercury, Feb. 15th, 1890 stating, “I am thoroughly acquainted with the theory and practice of civil engineering.  However bigoted some of our professors may be in the theory of surveying according to the prescribed rules, yet it is well known amongst us that such theoretical measurements are INCAPABLE OF ANY PRACTICAL ILLUSTRATION.  All our locomotives are designed to run on what may be regarded as TRUE LEVELS or FLATS.  There are, of course, partial inclines or gradients here and there, but they are always accurately defined and must be carefully traversed.  But anything approaching to eight inches in the mile, increasing as the square of the distance, COULD NOT BE WORKED BY ANY ENGINE THAT WAS EVER YET CONSTRUCTED.  Taking one station with another all over England and Scotland, it may be stated that all the platforms are ON THE SAME RELATIVE LEVEL.  The distance between Eastern and Western coasts of England may be set down as 300 miles.  If the prescribed curvature was indeed as represented, the central stations at Rugby or Warwick ought to be close upon three miles higher than a chord drawn from the two extremities.  If such was the case there is not a driver or stoker within the Kingdom that would be found to take charge of the train.  We can only laugh at those of your readers who seriously give us credit for such venturesome exploits, as running trains round spherical curves.  Horizontal curves on levels are dangerous enough, vertical curves would be a thousand times worse, and with our rolling stock constructed as at present physically impossible.

Engineer, W. Winckler, wrote into the Earth Review October 1893 regarding the Earth’s supposed curvature, stating, “As an engineer of many years standing, I saw that this absurd allowance is only permitted in school books.  No engineer would dream of allowing anything of the kind.  I have projected many miles of railways and many more of canals and the allowance has not even been thought of, much less allowed for.  This allowance for curvature means this - that it is 8” for the first mile of a canal, and increasing at the ratio by the square of the distance in miles; thus a small navigable canal for boats, say 30 miles long, will have, by the above rule an allowance for curvature of 600 feet.  Think of that and then please credit engineers as not being quite such fools.  Nothing of the sort is allowed.  We no more think of allowing 600 feet for a line of 30 miles of railway or canal, than of wasting our time trying to square the circle

The Suez Canal which connects the Mediterranean Sea with the Gulf of Suez on the Red Sea is a clear proof of the Earth’s and water’s non-convexity.  The canal is 100 miles long and without any locks so the water within is an uninterrupted continuation of the Mediterranean Sea to the Red Sea.  When it was constructed, the Earth’s supposed curvature was not taken into account, it was dug along a horizontal datum line 26 feet below sea-level, passing through several lakes from one sea to the other, with the datum line and the water’s surface running perfectly parallel over the 100 miles.  The average level of the Mediterranean is 6 inches above the Red Sea, while the floodtides in the Red Sea rise 4 feet above the highest and drop 3 feet below the lowest in the Mediterranean, making the half-tide level of the Red Sea, the surface of the Mediterranean Sea, and the 100 miles of water in the canal, all a clear continuation of the same horizontal line!  Were they instead the supposed curved line of globe-Earthers, the water in the center of the canal would be 1666 feet (502 x 8 inches = 1666 feet 8 inches) above the respective Seas on either side!

The distance between the Red Sea at Suez and the Mediterranean Sea is 100 statute miles, the datum line of the Canal being 26 feet below the level of the Mediterranean, and is continued horizontally the whole way from sea to sea, there not being a single lock on the Canal, the surface of the water being parallel with the datum line. It is thus clear that there is no curvature or globularity for the whole hundred miles between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea; had there been, according to the Astronomic theory, the middle of the Canal would have been 1,666 feet higher than at either end, whereas the Canal is perfectly horizontal for the whole distance. The Great Canal of China, said to be 700 miles in length, was made without regard to any allowance for supposed curvature, as the Chinese believe the Earth to be a Stationary Plane. I may also add that no allowance was made for it in the North Sea Canal, or in the Manchester Ship Canal, both recently constructed, thus clearly proving that there is no globularity in Earth or Sea, so that the world cannot possibly be a Planet.  -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (134)

If the earth be the globe of popular belief, it is very evident that in cutting a canal, an allowance must be made for the curvature of the globe, which allowance would correspond to the square of the distance multiplied by eight inches.  From The Age, of 5th August 1892, I extract the following:  ‘The German Emperor performed the ceremony of opening the Gates of the Baltic and North Sea Canal, in the spring of 1891.  The canal starts at Holtenau, on the south side of Kiel Bay, and joins the Elbe 15 miles above its mouth.  It is 61 miles long, 200 feet wide at the surface and 85 feet at the bottom, the depth being 28 feet.  No locks are required, as the surface of the two seas is level.’  Let those who believe it is the practice for surveyors to make allowance for ‘curvature’ ponder over the following from the Manchester Ship Canal Company (Earth Review, October, 1893)  ‘It is customary in Railway and Canal constructions for all levels to be referred to a datum which is nominally horizontal and is so shown on all sections.  It is not the practice in laying out Public Works to make allowances for the curvature of the earth.”  -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (23)

The London and Northwestern Railway forms a straight line 180 miles long between London and Liverpool.  The railroad’s highest point, midway at Birmingham station, is only 240 feet above sea-level.  If the world were actually a globe, however, curveting 8 inches per mile squared, the 180 mile stretch of rail would form an arc with the center point at Birmingham raising a full 5,400 feet above London and Liverpool.  Adding the station’s actual height (240 feet) to its theoretical inclination (5,400 feet) gives 5,640 feet as the rail’s necessary height on a globe-Earth, more than a thousand feet taller than Ben Nevis, the tallest mountain in Great Britain!

In projecting railways on a globe, the datum line would be the arc of a circle corresponding to the latitude of the place.  That the datum line for the railway projections is always a horizontal line, proves that the general configuration of the world is horizontal.  To support the globe theory, the gentlemen of the observatories should call upon the surveyor to prove that he allows the necessary amount for ‘curvature.’  But this is what the learned men dare not do, as it is well-known that the allowance for the supposed curvature is never made.  -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (107)

In a long line, like that of the Great Pacific Railway, extending across North America, the supposed curvature would, of course, be proportionately great, extending to many miles in height, but not one inch was allowed by the engineers for curvature during the whole course of the construction of that vast line of Railway. And, if we think of it, how could it be otherwise? All Railway metals must, of necessity, be straight, for how could any engine or carriage run with safety on a convex surface?  -David Wardlaw Scott, “Terra Firma” (125)

J.C. Bourne in his book, “The History of the Great Western Railway” stated that the entire original English railroad, more than 118 miles long, that the whole line with the exception of the inclined planes, may be regarded practically as level.  The British Parliament Session in 1862 that approved its construction  recorded in Order No. 44 for the proposed railway, “That the section be drawn to the same HORIZONTAL scale as the plan, and to a vertical scale of not less than one inch to every one hundred feet, and shall show the surface of the ground marked on the plan, the intended level of the proposed work, the height of every embankment, and the depth of every cutting, and a DATUM HORIZONTAL LINE which shall be the same throughout the whole length of the work.

One hundred and eighteen miles of LEVEL railway, and yet the surface on which it is projected a globe?  Impossible.  It cannot be.  Early in 1898 I met Mr. Hughes, chief officer of the steamer ‘City of Lincoln.’  This gentleman told me he had projected thousands of miles of level railway in South America, and never heard of any allowance for curvature being made.  On one occasion he surveyed over one thousand miles of railway which was a perfect straight line all the way.  It is well known that in the Argentine Republic and other parts of South America, there are railways thousands of miles long without curve or gradient.  In projecting railways, the world is acknowledged to be a plane, and if it were a globe the rules of projection have yet to be discovered.  Level railways prove a level world, to the utter confusion of the globular school of impractical men with high salaries and little brains.”  -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (109)

That in all surveys no allowance is made for curvature, which would be a necessity on a globe; that a horizontal line is in every case the datum line, the same line being continuous throughout the whole length of the work; and that the theodolite cuts a line at equal altitudes on either side of it, which altitude is the same as that of the instrument, clearly proves, to those who will accept proof when it is furnished, that the world is a plane and not a globe.”  -Thomas Winship, “Zetetic Cosmogeny” (126)



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51 comments:

swaan said...

Hey Eric,

I love reading your stuff but I am not concluding anything yet :)
I have a situation that I can't fit into the flat earth theory. It could be that distance isn't what we believe it is or that the maps a flawed. Anyway, flight routes. There are direct flights between Sydney and Santiago, Chile. Also Sydney and Los Angeles. If we are on a flat plane then how are the flights to Santiago shorter in duration than to LA? Thanks.

My current findings suggest that the Earth is neither flat nor spherical but something "in between" - a hologram :)

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

It is theology that interests me along this line of enquiry. If we concede, for the sake of discussion, that the earth is some kind of plane of existence and not spherical; then we can start to deduce certain things. First, though, this doesn't really tell us much about god or what god may be. It does seem to create a dilemma for the idea of god, though; it seems that god doesn't mind too much that lying thieves and drunkin' braggarts have taken over this plane of existence and are lying about the nature of reality at an unprecedented threshold or level. Is god inept and weak and unable to police its planes of existence? But, then, why the need to lie at this threshold if god is nothing more than an impersonal ocean of emptiness like the Buddhists say, or Vedanta; or for that matter the Deists? I mean, if my understanding of who I am here has no lasting significance and I simply disappear into a non personal ocean of bliss ( or whatever), I really can't see the reason for a lie of this significance . That stream of thinking doesn't really answer what is going on here and really, again, that system of theology isn't really a threat to anyone and once again I see no need to lie about reality if that was the truth about life. But if there are multiple planes of existence with thrones and principalities and powers; well then, that ups the ante; and starts to become somewhat more plausible as an explanation for what is going on here if the earth is flat.
The mythology of the Nephilim was common knowledge at the time of The Christ. Jesus referenced this phenomenon and the people of his day believed that the ruling elite were the offspring of the Nephilim. Obviously, the way this drama played out changed over time as there is no reference to them being giants during the Roman era. It may be that there is generational genetic manipulation happening throughout the bloodlines of human/angel offspring. It may be that the original angels that transgressed are still in prison and humans and god are dealing with the consequences of bad decisions by small groups of principalities. This idea would seem to suggest some kind of redeeming attempt over time with the souls of the hybrids. This idea goes to the seeming non-intervention of god. Or maybe all of this is being authored by god : the evil as well as the good and that certainly is a difficult thing for humans to wrap their head around. I don't know but I do know that there is just one way to stand and far too many ways to fall.

Anonymous said...

I've been following closely and it's been quite an adventure of what I think I know and what I do know. I have run against this tho. Measuring distances at differ t latitudes via googling them...at 33S Sydney- buenos aires 11800 km to cape town 6865, back to Sydney 11003 for 29668 km. ...at 60 N st Petersburg - Kamchatka 6669, to Whitehorse 3664, to qaqortoq 4456 to st Pete 3963 is 18752.... But at 0 L Singapore to Quito 19717, to entebbe 12327 to Singapore 7943 is 39987km. So it's bulging at center? Is there something I'm missing here?

Bob said...

To the theology question posed above: don't you think it is certainly possible that everything as it currently is on earth is done that way INTENTIONALLY by God? Maybe the whole point is to test you, your integrity, and whittle away at the parts of you that will be humbled thru this experience. I think we are tested on how we react to everything, and if we pass, well we have proved ourselves worthy of more.

Unknown said...

Profesional proof testifying that the earth is not a curved ball.

simski said...

Hello Eric,

Thank you for this excellent article. Your hard work is very much appreciated.

I do have also a comment about your ifers site which I find myself avoiding because almost every thread seems to deteriorate into an accusatory battle to out the suspected globist troll quickly and rudely. I am sure others feel the same way especially those who have not been carefully inured to this behavior which began during the early internet days as "the right to say what you think".

Trolls driving people off forums has always been a problem. One solution seems to be to quickly move any thread whose original content deteriorates into a section called "controversy, trolls, etc" even if the original content is valuable. I also would watch those members who habitually involve themselves in "troll outing" before I decide who the real troll is.

Again, thanks so much for your excellent research.

Rosemary

Anonymous said...

Well, I have done lots of surveying. I have done sections of road up to five miles long. No, I have never made a correction for the curvature of the Earth either. But one does not need to for your instrument, as long as it levels with a liquid bubble, will do the correction for you. Surveyors are always taught to carry grade by taking equidistant shots behind you as well as in front of you. This insures that you carry the grade perpendicular to the plumb of the gravitational pull towards the center of the Earth or at a tangent to the Earth's surface. So each time you move your instrument you are projecting straight lines with ever-so-gentle breaks at each shot or benchmark.

Clodia

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous - May 29, 2015 at 10:34 PM

To get answers to your questions, read the book Why We Are Born by Akemi G. You might also want to check out Shawn Pereira on Facebook.

Anonymous said...

@ Bob. Ultimately, i think that is true in a non-dual kind of way; although the multifarious manifestations of evil on this planet lead me to suppose some kind of left and right hand protocols, especially with the problem of evil spanning millennia. So, yes, if one is able to abide by the right hand protocols ( purity /sattva, etc) then one may stay clear of unnecessary suffering. But for those unable to do that then I think, maybe, one defaults into the left hand protocols . Apparently, this age is the left hands protocols kingdom. i can deduce from that that very few are able to abide by the right hand protocols. Something about entering through the eye of the needle. But hey, the left hand gave us modal bebop scales so it can't be all bad. Maybe the right hand bored god and he is utterly fascinated with the way the left hand kingdom has played out:) See the Book of Job……Or as i call it : Get a Job…..

Anonymous said...

@ Anonymous
I had no question. I just explained why all of the surveyors in the article never needed to do a correction for the curvature of the Earth.

Clodia

Anonymous said...

a bit more @ Bob: let's suppose that somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 million 2 year olds have died in every horrible way imaginable since the beginning of heliocentric model ( the exact number is not revenant here) Now what possible lesson have these 5 million babies failed to learn? The point being is that there are logical problems with the idea you proposed; although the problems are not insurmountable. At first glance it would seem that god cares not one little bit about the pain and suffering of these babies. Or, secondly, god is impersonal and life on a large scale is the only thing guaranteed to exist over time; here there is no guarantee that humans will survive at all. Thirdly, these dead children are a necessary condition concomitant with this age. The age of the left hand protocols. Satan showed Jesus this kingdom in the vision in the wilderness. I call these two dudes the twin towers of the spiritual universe although I am not convinced Satan is a dude:)

Anonymous said...

Would it not be possible to construct something to prove the no curvature idea? Imagine bolting together a series of very accurately machined tubes- all bolted together and machined and measured. If these tubes are bolted together and laid out over 1 mile distance you would expect to see greater stress in the fasteners on the outermost section of the curvature. You could then prove out the expected amount of stress by adding 8 inches worth of lateral curvature which should match the tress caused by the earth's curvature.

flatterus said...

Hi Eric,
I've been a flat earther for almost 10 years. I found Parallax online and never looked back. Since then I've accumulated several eye-opening books on the subject, including your book, but also out of print stuff that cost an arm and a leg. In the meantime, I've talked to people and of course, the backlash is epic. One problem I have is with the "continent" of antarctica patrolled by the military and denying independent expedition. Is there any additional information that I can prove that is true?
Thanks,
--A Big Flat Fan

Anonymous said...

In order to live in Antarctica, you must work for a government that sponsors, funds and conducts scientific research on the Antarctic continent. The government entity that represents Antarctic science for the United States is the National Science Foundation. This foundation funds studies of questionable reality. Such as Quantum Monte Carlo and Scalable Quantum Computers in the Presence of Physical Noise: a Study of Surface Codes with Realistic Errors at the Algorithmic Level, both of which were awarded to "independent" researchers in California colleges. Others in New York, received money for the Exploration of classical-quantum and easy-hard boundaries (really?). Grants for many states' research received $6,000,000 plus. The research subjects sound incredibly heady, or should I say, questionable. Lots of blah blah blah like: Collaborative Research: Transmission of Quantum Information in Circuits of Superconducting Qubits (New York) and CAREER: A Physical Understanding of Secrecy, (Illinois) not to mention Integrated Photonic Chips for Generating Entangled Photon Triplets at Harvard. I have yet to find ONE reasonably serious study that isn't well above the ordinary probability of usefulness. I'd like to study further, but the confounding language and obfuscation going on would glaze the eyes of the average Newton and Einstein.

Bob said...

@ Anon: in regards to your 2nd post...while I'm not necessarily sold on the idea, if you believe in reincarnation, those babies may have warranted that punishment as a result from previous lives' karma. It sounds very harsh, but maybe they deserved it.

As children, we think our parents were evil for sending us to our room. We did not understand, we cried and screamed. But in the end, it was for our own good.

Just suppositions on my part.

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous,
It's no big deal. Next time I have my laser level near a lake I will take a shot without setting up in the center. I will set up right next to the first shot on the water's surface, then I can go out 500' and it should be 0.75" off. Easy.

The article is proven to be wrong though.

Clodia

Anonymous said...

@Bob: yes, reincarnation is reasonable metaphysical speculation on the problem of evil. As a doctrine it is not without problems, though, as has been abundantly proven in countries that embrace that type of metaphysics i.e. the caste system and its concomitant abuses. Am of the persuasion that all humans should always first concede that they are speculating when it comes to anything said on life after death. I am also persuaded that metaphysical speculation should be discarded if it is premised on irrationality, although non-rational claims should not be dismissed. Reincarnation in and of itself is not irrational but punishment forever for not believing this or that doctrine about the afterlife is irrational and should be dismissed ( not that there is no possible consequences for breaking bad), Imo. I am suggesting some guidelines for what humanity should consider as true when it comes to these confusing, complex and difficult questions. BTW., the flat earth idea is not in and of itself irrational although there may be some logical fallacies at play.
More on reincarnation: I wonder if it is coincidence that one of the first things that the councils of the State did at the time of Constantine was to block all reference to reincarnation and also, coincidentally, blocking reference to the Nephilim theories.
Anyway, what is that you say? What the hell are right and left hand protocols? Well, i am glad you asked:) The right hand protocols are premised on the idea of gods purity and perfection as emplified by Jesus. He referenced necessary conditions that one has to meet to qualify. As an example: if one even looks at another and thinks lust then one has committed a transgression against the right hand protocols. Another would be the forsaking of all worldly possessions and family aqquaintances. Well, then, who is it that can be saved? Well , hopefully, most ,given enough time and grace. I suggest two pillars of the right hand protocols: firstly-- one is not able to buy and sell the earth for profit . If one does then one defaults into the left hand protocols. Secondly, one is not allowed to look at another human as a means of profitable exploitation ( we can add all life forms here) . What is allowed under the right hand protocols are reasonable exchange of goods, services, talent, mental ideas , etc., under a system of co=operative stewardship ( or something like that). i might add that abundance past reasonable comfort become shared within communities.
It should be noted that under the present system of finance we have all been persuaded to forsake the right hand protocols and have defaulted into the left hand protocols which are interestingly enough, coincidenatally; ANTI- right hand protocols , or anti-Christ. Damn! How crafty can you get? Fortunately, though, under the system of theology I am espousing, the left hand protocols are also authored by god by left hand agents.

Anonymous said...

Mark Sargeant is clearly a shill and here is some circumstance yet damming evidence:

Mark Sargeant's first video on his channel actually SUPPORTS THE IDEA THAT WE SHOULD BELIEVE GOVERNMENT'S BULLSHIT!!! Hasn't anyone realized this???

Then he goes on all these radio shows and talks about how for the past 9 months he has been doing study on flat earth, 9 videos uploaded quickly then he paused a little bit, then he posted videos up to 11

9-11

He kept repeating this 9 and 11 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one has picked up on this!

Listen to his interviews, 9! 9! 9! 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mark Sargent is a Shill!!!!

Eric Dubay knows what is going on and urges you to pursue further proofs and facts!

Keep it up Eric!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blaine Bosserman said...

Watch this video and learn what is on the other side of the wall! Wall Of Darkness By Arthur C. Clarke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER5nxcY4eqE

Era Denmark said...

The flattest place on earth; http://www.cntraveler.com/stories/2014-07-28/salar-uyuni-maphead

Anonymous said...

those direct flights between Sydney and Santiago DO have a one hour stop over where they refuel the tank in the engine but this stop over is NEVER mentioned by the airlines...trust me on this! if u don't believe me...book a non-stop trip between those or similar destinations and u'll end up having to wait one hour while the plane's tank gets refueled! Flat Earthers Unite!!!

eradenmark said...

Hi Eric,

I'm not sure how to contact you any other way than here but I would like to interview you. I would like to do something even more detailed and powerful than what's been done so far by the other interviewers. There are some supposed "debunking" videos on youtube (like testing geocentricism parts 1 through 9) and I ended up commenting on the 9th part because it struck me that every single one of his arguments were based on theory, but these theories were presented as "fact". The very first video he says he's debunking geocentricism's explanation of the season but his logic is based on the current accepted theory of how far the sun is 150 million KMs away.But he uses this theory as FACT when "debunking" the flat earth model. People need to understand the history of the "science" that they take as fact. Just read this http://www.space.com/17081-how-far-is-earth-from-the-sun.html to see how theoretical it all is...So I would like to go though some of these so called "debunker points" with you, having everything thoroughly prepared and create a sort of ultimate response to "debunkers"..it would probably have to be a multi-part interview and discussion. Please contact me if you're interested. My website is era-denmark.org

Darriun18 said...

I read an article on this site were it mentioned Math Boylan and you Eric. I am shocked that this site that once talked about the round earth and the universe is now giving info on flat earth theory. It says that we live on a flat infinite plane and is surrounded by a ice dome. There might be other flat planes of existence too. NASA lies are being exposes more by the day. People are going to be furious with NASA and the government lying for centuries, it makes scientific communities look even more stupid. Antarctica is guarded the military like you said. There are also alot of dis info agents too trying to confuse people with that old flat earth edge joke or they try to change up the story.When Flat Earth is one hundred percent proven to the public it will expose everything that connects to it.

Anonymous said...

Confirmed: Sidney - Santiago flights are not direct:
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/thorntree/forums/australasia-pacific-australia-new-zealand-antarctica/topics/nz-direct-to-south-america/compact

Fred said...

This is a genuine question and maybe it has already been answered elsewhere, but how does a satellite dish for TV or internet reception work without satellites “in the sky” beaming down a signal into the LNB within a fairly narrow margin? I have just stumbled onto the flat earth topic and find it fascinating.

Henk Schäfer said...

Something I noticed while reading through comments on many of the entries about flat earth. Many people have an attitude that they deserve to be enlightened by Eric. Somehow they feel he should answer every question, even if he answered them a lot of times already. This is due to the indoctrination we all get where we are basically trained to base our own opinions and knowledge, on the expertise of so called experts.

IF you really want to learn anything, do your OWN research. Don't take shortcuts. If you know what critical thinking is, use it, otherwise, learn it (google trivium method, for example). If you don't have time to do your own research, you are basically just here to be entertained.

Make a list of the arguments Eric puts up and test them thoroughly. Remove the contradictions and fallacies and what you are left with, is the truth. Also make a list of arguments people use to debunk Eric's work and test them as well. This is the only way you will get a real sense of what the truth is and a lot of satisfaction when you do, no matter what the outcome is.

Anonymous said...

Eric: Do you have a contact email? I can't find one on your site...this is the only way to 'get through.' I would like to talk to you about NASA. I have a close friend who managed many of the space programs at NASA during the 60's and 70's. He knew a number of the astronauts, personally. I recently grilled him about the moon landing and got some details. I would like to talk with you about this...as I am trying to get to the the 'real' story myself. I can verify who this person is and who I am...once I have personal contact with you. Thanks... Leagree ileagree@hotmail.com

Anonymous said...

On the point Henk Schäfer. Nothing more to add.

Eric Dubay said...

Thanks for the comments everyone! Here are relevant links for those who had questions:

Flight Routes Problems Answered

The Measurable Non-Curvature of the Flat Earth

For Flatterus: The South Pole Does Not Exist!

For Fred: Satellite Hoax - Satellites Do Not Exist!

GPS Questions

Great points Henk, thanks! People can contact me directly at ericdubay@hotmail.com Peace!

Anonymous said...

Hello Eric,
I have researched your work for a month now but was convinced immediately about flat earth. I am still thinking about where the space shuttle went after launch only to show up for the fake mission return landing. I can see it happening. This is huge and makes sense. I used to work for Pratt & Whitney. I assembled and disassembled the liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen pumps for the SSME, (space shuttle main engine) like everything else with the govt and corporations, military everything is compartmentalized. I am open minded to your no nuclear energy belief too. What a trip! I used to like Alex Jones but almost everyone out there is disinfo. Alex Jones is just too polished of an operation and thanks for showing all of the shills. I could no longer work for the corporation where I also worked rocket engines and test, missiles in San Jose for 1 year minuteman III, and military jet engines. I moved to Bangkok over a year ago and now live in Pattaya. Keep up your great work and love your outlook on life video. I like them all. I sure would like to talk on phone or meet you someday if you are interested. Email is ok too. Stay safe Eric and thank you for the huge enlightenment. You the Man ! Sincerely, Bill

Anonymous said...

Hello Eric,
I just left a post. If you ever have a question or want to email. I am the rocket engine mechanic that posted a few minutes ago. I know you must be busier than a one-legged man in an ass kicking contest but this is my email anyway. william99@runbox.com

You the Man !

Anonymous said...

If you guys want more info just research Navajo legends Hopi legends and etc.check out "the sacred: ways of knowledge and sources of life" the Native American view of the world. Interesting natives knew of the ice wall surrounding the world. A way better outlook on the whole dome theory. Navajo legends include the "creation story" and "the hero twins"

Anonymous said...

I am a Geocentrist but so far I do not believe the earth is flat. A flat earth would allow one to see for 25,000 miles, especially from a high perch. So how does a flat-earther explain that someone, somewhere claims they can see only 60 miles? He can't, so he doesn't. And that is his STRONGEST argument. In the end, he has a much bigger problem than Globe-Geocentrists do. We only have to account for an extra 30 miles. He has to account for 24,940 miles. If he can't account for this, then the flat earth loses, and there must be another explanation for why one can see 60 miles at a certain place on the Earth.
What do you say in response Mr. Dubay?

greg szymanski said...

Eric, Just read this list of probable cointel operators in the flat earth movement. I have years of experience dealing with this on other journalistic matters, starting with my exposure of the Jesuit Order and the Vatican. I have been covering the Circle Earth Theory for a number of months. Since it is difficult to find an email for you, contact me to do an interview on my long running radio show The Investigative Journal. Greg Anthony

Jett Pilot said...

Eric, just listened to your May 7 interview with Greg Carlwood from Higherside Chats San Diego, and would like to say I found it a very informative and honest discussion. The facts about flights between antipodean cities is intriguing and not explainable by any other model. I am a geocentrist, but rapidly moving to FE. Thanks for your research and also your warnings about all the co-opting of FE going on out there - right out of the illuminate playbook!! The only bone I have to pick with you is your placement of the Vatican above Freemasons as the ultimate controllers of the world. I disagree (in the interests of full disclosure I am a Catholic, albeit a Traditional Catholic). The view I hold is that the Catholic Church has been infiltrated and taken over by Freemasons/Illuminati (in 1958, although the process started 150 years earlier in the period after the French Revolution) and is now working for the NWO, however I do not believe they are at the top. They have been hijacked and are being used because they have 1 billion followers. Please don't forget that it was the Catholic Church who denounced Galileo and put his views on trial. This has been used to mock the Church ever since and is always brought up as 'evidence' of how backward and 'unscientific' the Church is. It was only recently after the takeover of the Church that they 'apologized' for their treatment of Galileo.

Anonymous said...

Eric, 'Hitler versus The Jew World Order'video is blocked in Australia already. I'm trying to share it with friends back home but they say it's unavailable.. do u have other links?

Anonymous said...

If the earth is flat....why are all of the other planets round?

dsd said...

Am reading your book with the 200 proofs of flat earth. Great job. Some people unfortunately still post crap on YouTube like this dude http://youtu.be/BmGRRxOf6dU

Chris Madsen said...

Thank you Eric! I have now come to understand the earth is flat and am incredibly grateful for your work. Of course you are being attacked, it means you have found the throat of the evil dragon and latched on to it. Keep up the good work bro, you are doing humanity a great service!

albumfixer said...

Is the earth just a giant Terranium?

marcel said...

i like the idea of the flat earth pond, several images of this pond are on the internet. the pond itself is not circular, but in fact it looks like the shape of antartica for globe believers. also the idea exists that the elevation of the antarctic plain increases, maybe even to enormous height, who knows. the antarctic stations like vostok (near the subsurface lake, an enigma in itself) elevation already 3300m, and concordia are approx 1200 km landinwards from the ice wall. the sun, with its circular path arond the pond, does not give much light and energy in the area of these remote stations, thats why the lowest temperature ever measured (-90 degrees celcius) was measured at vostok. imagine going even more land inwards away from the icewall, no more light, lower temperatures, maybe higher elevation equal or more to the himalayas, its simply not possible over land. so you need aircraft. if you look at the photos from vostok or concordia, notice the flat plaines around them!

as the earth pond is huge, covering all landmass and enormous oceans, you need to have a very high altitude to be able to see the next earth pond (atlantis?). for example, the x15 flight on youtube, shows a flat earth, but no edge or beyond the earth pond, simply because the altitude of 300km is not enough. you need to be at a higher altitude then the sun (which is much lower then nasa states). problem might be the van allen radiation belt which prevent you from going higher.

marcel said...

i am working with microwave directional transmitters for line of sight directional communications networks. so far all the links i implemented was line of sight indeed, until a link of 90km came up. due to the supposed curve of the earth, i needed very high comms towers. the towers i had were not high enough, but tried anyway. you need to know that the 90 km was across a wide bay, near the sea. gues what, it worked. the telco company to,d me that due to bouncing of the radio waves its working, even an engineer said, its going through the waves. nonsense!. due to lack of curvature i had a stable link over 90 km!!

Anonymous said...

Like my colleague I am a surveyor with 36 years field experience and I have surveyed 2 sections of road over 100km long with no correction for curvature because as they said equal lengths of sight ensure that the levels are true to the level datum being used which is usually based on mean sea level. Of course this does not prove whether the earth is flat or a sphere.
Using the same surveyors level at the beach I have observed large ships well below the level line of sight thereby proving the earth has a curved surface. Anyone can check this out for themselves with a surveyors level. Better still use a relatively flat jetty 3km or more long such as one we have here in Australia at Lucinda in Queensland which is 5.76km long. Even better a long stretch of canal would suffice.
Rob Gillie.

Surikato said...

The view of the ships bellow the line of sight is not proof of curvature but perspective illusion, as it was already explained by Eric and this subject is verifiable, just google illusion horizon perspective

Yves Legault said...

Ignorance is a prison the ignorant is not even aware of.

Marlon Lanier said...

Don't worry about that gut Paul and all those other people making false accusations. This only means you are right about something and they are trying to discredit you and your work. If it wasn't for you I would have never realized what is so simple to realize, if you look with without your brainwashed limitations, that they are lying to us about were we live. Thank you for not being afraid to speak about what you know is right. You may not be right about everything, but they are definitely lying to us about many things.

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The Largest Giant On Earth - Actual Model For Mans Anatomy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUheb6z7GV8 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY8aRhC62HA%

Anonymous said...

I have a question about perspective that I haven't seen addressed anywhere
If things disappear from sight after a certain distance, even through a telescope, how is it when can see stars that are supposedly trillions of miles away?
The "stars" would have to be absolutely enormous.
How far can we see before things disappear?

Anonymous said...

I am planning to publish a blog about the flat earth. May I translate some of your writings and publish them, provided I quote this website as a source? Let me know. Greetings.

Ted said...

Hello.
I was listening to the Chris Everard radio show with Mark Sargent. He was asked why amateur astronomers with high powered telescopes can see minute details of the moons of Mars and Sarurn etc....
How is this explined. SARGENT claimed its just a projection on the firmament.
Seems like a very weak explanation.
I just want to know what it is they are seeing and how.
Thanks
Ted