Thursday, January 6, 2011

The Oklahoma City Bombing

The April 19th, 1995, Oklahoma City bombing of the Murrah Federal building resulted in 168 deaths and over 800 injuries. Though overwhelming evidence disputes their claims, the government and mainstream media quickly agreed that the bombing was perpetrated by a terrorist named, Timothy McVeigh. Allegedly McVeigh acted alone and parked a single Ryder truck-bomb affront the Murrah building on that morning, however, 20 eyewitnesses reported seeing 2 men.

“20 eye-witnesses saw two men in the Ryder truck, each one described the second man as middle-eastern and said it absolutely was not Terry Nichols (the patsy John Doe 2 agents tried to blame). All 20 people filled out 302s, investigative reports, but none have ever surfaced. Also just like 9/11, the Pentagon’s 80 CCTVs, and the London Bombings in the tube, the 12 camera tapes at the Murrah building were seized and withheld, all for reasons of ‘national security.’” -David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center” (156)

The 20 witnesses’ reports were ignored and the security camera tapes were withheld. When forced by investigators to find a second patsy, officials came up with Terry Nichols, who they claimed to be McVeigh’s accomplice, even though all eyewitnesses agreed the second man in the truck was middle-eastern, and definitely not Terry Nichols.

“McVeigh was arrested so conveniently for a traffic offence immediately after the bombing for the same reason that Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested in a cinema immediately after the Kennedy assassination and Osama bin Laden was named as the culprit after 9/11. They are the patsies required by problem-reaction-solution to hide the real orchestrators. Just as 9/11 was a massive version of what happened in Oklahoma, so Oklahoma was a repeat of the Kennedy assassination. Lee Harvey Oswald was a US agent who was placed in the right place at the right time without being told exactly why he was there. He realized this after Kennedy was shot and ran. When he was arrested he said he was a patsy, a stooge, and would have said so in court. That’s why he was paraded in public to allow another government agent, Jack Ruby, to shoot him and kill the evidence. In the same way, very possibly, McVeigh was a government stooge who parked the Ryder truck without knowing the full story.” -David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center” (155)

On the morning of April 19th, shortly after the bombing, in live broadcasts, CBS, CNN, and NBC all reported on three additional bombs inside the building! One of the bombs exploded and two others were found and defused. Oklahoma City’s NBC affiliate, KFOR, in their live feed immediately reported: “The first bomb that was in the Federal Building did go off. It did the damage that you see right there. The second explosive was found and defused. The third explosive that was found - and they are working on right now as we speak, I understand - both the second and third explosives - if you can imagine this - were larger than the first. So try to imagine two or threefold happening what we’ve already seen there. It is just incredible to think that there was that much heavy artillery that was somehow moved into the downtown Oklahoma City Federal Building.”

Once Timothy McVeigh was arrested, all reports of the additional bombs inside the building ceased. The mainstream media quickly parroted the government line, and America was assured that the perpetrator(s) McVeigh/Nichols acted alone using a single truck-bomb. This, however, has been disproved repeatedly.

“Out of hundreds of people we interviewed, we couldn’t find a single person who said they’d only heard one explosion …The University of Oklahoma’s own seismographic reports, as well as the U.S. Geological Survey reports - two different scientific institutions - show multiple explosions. But for there to have been multiple explosions, Timothy McVeigh would have had to have accomplices . . . and that didn’t fit in with the federal story, especially if the reality showed that it had to be a group that had access to a federal building for long, extended periods of time, like the BATF and the FBI.” -Alex Jones, “911 Descent into Tyranny”

Even the US Air Force’s own 1997 blast effects study of the Oklahoma City bombing verified the impossibility of being the result of a single bomb. General Benton K. Partin concluded that, “It is impossible to ascribe the damage that occurred on April 19th, 1995 to a single truck bomb containing 4,800 pounds … In fact, the maximum predicted damage of the floor panels of the Murrah federal building is equal to approximately 1% of the total floor area of the building … It must be concluded that the damage at the Murrah federal building is not the result of the truck bomb itself, but rather due to other factors such as locally placed charges within the building itself.”

In the report General Partin also mentions how a single bomb cannot explain the failure of many columns in the back of the building as compared to the non-failure of columns in the front where the truck was parked. Partin concluded that shaped demolitions charges were indeed used inside the building. The blast effects study showed that the maximum damage possible from a single truck-bomb would affect only 1% of the floor area. Take a look at any photo of the Murrah building after the explosions. To ascribe the amount of actual damage done to merely this is ludicrous.

“Glenn and Kathy Wilburn, who lost two small children in the bombing, worked constantly and passionately for years to uncover the truth of what happened. They conducted and documented more than 300 hours of interviews, and persuaded people to talk who had remained silent for fear of the consequences. They established beyond question that a heavily armed bomb squad had been in downtown Oklahoma near the Murrah Building that morning before the bombs exploded … Some parents saw these people in their bomb squad uniforms as they dropped their children off at the day care centre at the Murrah Building, children they would never see alive again. Eventually, after months of denial by the FBI and other government agencies, the Sheriff’s Department had to admit that the bomb squad had been there.” -David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center” (153-4)

After months of meticulous independent investigation, Glenn and Kathy Wilburn got the Sheriff’s Department to actually admit what they already knew from multiple, consistent eyewitness testimonies: a government bomb-squad had been at the Murrah federal building that very morning! Emergency radio transmission transcripts from that morning also prove that many policemen and firefighters witnessed BATF at the scene. Oklahoma lawyer Daniel J. Adomitis was interviewed saying, “There was this fairly large truck with a trailer behind it. It had a shield on the side of the door that said ‘bomb disposal’ or ‘bomb squad’ below it. And I really found that interesting. You know, I’d never seen anything like that in person.

“Do you realize what you have just read? The government had multiple surveillance cameras … the cameras also show the BATF agents hiding out right down the street, preparing to pounce on the operation and declare themselves the heroes, the saviors … From A to Z, there are federal fingerprints all over the Oklahoma City Bombing, and the government is doing everything it can to suppress the truth. Bill Clinton is the servant of the New World Order, whose approval rating exploded after the attack. His attack dog, the Butcher of Waco, Janet Reno was very happy to blame everything on Christians, conservatives, and gun owners. It was her excuse to expand federal control over local police and to merge the military with the police in new giant anti-terrorism training programs.” -Alex Jones, “911 Descent into Tyranny”

Another strange “coincidence” to note is that just two years earlier in 1993, Martin Keating, the brother of Oklahoma’s Governor, Frank Keating, wrote a novel called “The Final Jihad.” In his book, a man named Tom McVeigh bombs an Oklahoma City federal building! Linda Cavanaugh, from NBC’s Oklahoma affiliate KFOR, even reported on this oddity: “The News Channel has learned of another strange development. Apparently, before the bombing, Governor Frank Keating’s brother, Martin, had been working on a novel about a terrorist bombing in Oklahoma City. Stranger still, one of the characters in the novel was named Thomas McVeigh.” Also adding to the mystery, Martin Keating dedicated his book to “the Knights of the Secret Circle.” Could he be referring to the Knights of the Milner-Rhodes Round Table secret societies?

“The US government hired the same company to carry away the remains of the Oklahoma City bombing and the World Trade Center - the company is ironically named Controlled Demolitions.” -David Icke, “Alice in Wonderland and the World Trade Center” (152)

“The handling of the World Trade Center rubble almost mirrors that of the Oklahoma City Alfred P. Murrah building. After eyewitnesses reported several explosions and original newscasts detailed the recovery of second and third explosive devices, the government declared that there was just one bomb and the remains of the building were professionally demolished by Controlled Demolitions Inc., the same company that was first on the scene to cart away the WTC rubble. Debris of the federal building was then carted off to a private landfill and guarded 24 hours a day by Wackenhut private security. Nothing to hide there then, eh? The FEMA team that investigated why the towers collapsed was headed by Dr. W. Gene Corley, the same individual the government called upon to whitewash the Waco fire enquiry and the Oklahoma City bombing.” -Paul Joseph Watson, Order Out of Chaos (100-1)

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John W. Ratcliff said...

Eric, I wrote a blog entry this evening with you in mind. I will pray for you.

I hope this disease of stupidity you are suffering from is cured soon and you can return the land of the living; or what I like to call rational and thinking human beings.

My best for you and your future,


Anonymous said...

john you are an odd chap. I have met Eric in person and he is a truly nice human being with a wide open, interesting mind. You on the other hand I have not met and you come across as small minded, and worse still as a person who is upset at anyone else not of such a shallow outlook.

John W. Ratcliff said...


So, I am the small minded person because I believe men walked on the moon, we sent a rover to mars, and other common sense things?

I am the small minded person because I believe that people are generally good and try to do the right thing?

I am small minded because, unlike Eric, I do not view the world as filled with hate, conspiracy, murderers, and evil around every corner?

My world is generally quite positive and hopeful until I see the kind of hate speech spewed on sites like this one.

It is a real shame that Eric is so young, yet has allowed himself to become so twisted by these hateful ideologies.

I was trying to further a little bit of tough love with my most recent rant. I am hoping that young Eric will think twice about the noise, lies, confusion and self-delusion he is spreading in the world and ask himself, is this really what I ought to be doing with my time?


Eric Dubay said...

Thanks John for that "tough love" and helping me see through the "noise, lies, confusion and self-delusion I am spreading in the world."

Turn's out I'm suffering from a "disease of stupidity" and 9/11 wasn't an inside job. :( Sorry to disappoint everyone. Repeat, false alarm, it really was Osama Bin Laden and 19 hijackers. My bad.


John W. Ratcliff said...

>>Repeat, false alarm, it really was Osama Bin Laden and 19 hijackers. My bad.

Eric, I must say that as far as interventions go, this one is going swimmingly well! I was just trying to get you to admit that men landed on the moon and that people making the 'rock-on' sign doesn't generally mean anything.

This is significant progress and I am pleased to see you are probably well on your way towards recovery.

I must clarify that when I made my recent 'stupidity' post I was not implying that you are unintelligent. After all, you graduated from University and appear to have a keen grasp of the written word.

Where 'stupidity' enters the equation is when you expose yourself to propaganda and false materials to such an extent that you lose all capacity for rational thought.

If it is any consolation to you, I will admit that I myself believe in conspiracies (the small ordinary ones that happen by the millions every single day) and I even believe there is a legitimate (unknown) UFO phenomenon.

So, I too like to keep my mind open, just not quite so much so that my brains fall out of my head.

I look forward to interviewing you on my radio show to gauge the progress of your recovery.

Stay clean. I recommend a steady diet of 'Bullshit' episodes by Penn & Teller for your mental health.


P.S. This one question always fascinates me. If you honestly believe Freemasons are out to control the world, why don't you join so you can infiltrate them?

I did, and now I get to raise money for good causes and donate my time to worthy charities. The secret is out.

Anonymous said...

John Said "If it is any consolation to you, I will admit that I myself believe in conspiracies (the small ordinary ones that happen by the millions every single day) and I even believe there is a legitimate (unknown) UFO phenomenon."

Which makes you very gullible. The Moon and Mars landings are provably faked. You believe in UFO's!

John Said "If you honestly believe Freemasons are out to control the world, why don't you join so you can infiltrate them?

I did, and now I get to raise money for good causes and donate my time to worthy charities. The secret is out."

Sadly you have been taken in by a Cult, that of Freemasonry, and fooled to beliving they are good by their compartmentalization system which keeps you working for charity, while they use the secrecy you stand up for to do harm.

- They are exclusive, no women allowed, and
yes, men conspire there: do not be surprised when you explore the higher ranks, that some of those conspiring do so with greed and disregard for humanity. You aid and abet by sticking up for that secrecy they use.

And you believe in UFO's!

Eric, this guy is the most lost of them all, I say stop conversing with him, stop him using you to bolster his dull middle of the road blog.

- John you bore me. When you wake up, I will not remind you of this time in your life, you can let it go, don't worry, you are sleeping.

John W. Ratcliff said...

>>Which makes you very gullible.

Which makes me very reasonable.

>>The Moon and Mars landings are provably faked.

Actually, no they are not.

>>You believe in UFO's!

That is not what I said. I said that I believe there is a legitimate UFO phenomenon which is *unknown*.

>>Sadly you have been taken in by a Cult, that of Freemasonry, and fooled to beliving they are good by their compartmentalization system which keeps you working for charity, while they use the secrecy you stand up for to do harm.

In which case, the compartment that I am in, which is the same compartment that the every single Freemason I have met, or known, is in, are allo doing good charitable work and striving to make the world a better place.

In which case, that means that most all Freemasons in the world are fine, upstanding citizens, who are full of love, light, and charity. These imaginary select, secret, hidden few, who I have never met (and neither have you) are so far in the minority that it must be safe to say that they do not, in fact cannot, represent Freemasonry in any way.

>>- They are exclusive, no women allowed, and yes, men conspire there:

Really? I will have to tell my wife that. Many of our activities are open to the public and many of them involve both husbands and wives. My entire family is involved in Masonic organizations and attend many of our events and fundraisers.

But, you are correct, our lodge meetings are indeed private. And, you are also correct that we do indeed conspire. We conspire to provide scholarship funds, help the youth in our community, donate money anonymously to numerous charities, and vote on how we can best help the widows and other needy in our community. We support the crisis nursery, the food bank, host blood drives, and perform what civic duties that we can.

These conspiracies that we take part in are reflected in the Shriners hospitals, the greatest charity created in history. Deny that and you have never spoken to the mother or father of a child who has benefited from their great work.

>>do not be surprised when you explore the higher ranks, that some of those conspiring do so with greed and disregard for humanity.

I know everyone in the 'higher ranks'. I am myself at a reasonably high rank having served as an officer for years and as a current Worshipful Master of Napthali lodge. I know many of the members of the grand lodge. I have visited lodges around the country and in Europe. I am close personal friends with 33rd degree Master Masons. And, yes, we do conspire.

But, how dare you, absolutely how dare you suggest that the work we do is, and I quote "conspiring do so with greed and disregard for humanity".

This is not only untrue, it is an evil lie. Have you been to a Shriners hospital before? Yes, we conspire, to make the world a better place, by trying to improve ourselves and practice charity. We strive to conduct ourselves by the highest level of morality.

Your false accusations, out of ignorance, are both untrue and unfair.

>>You aid and abet by sticking up for that secrecy they use.

I aid and abet by being a member and practicing the tenets which are inculcated in our teachings.

And, my friend, what secrecy I might ask? Our meetings are posted. Our activities are not only public, they are posted in the local newspaper. Our private meetings involve the following:

(1) Planning charitable events.
(2) Bringing new members into the lodge.
(3) Eating pie and cookies afterwards.

If you don't believe me, then join yourself. Learn every secret. Learn every handshake. Go to every single Freemason lodge you can visit. Go through all of the degrees. Join the Grand Lodge.

At no time, at no place, will you ever, ever, ever, find any of the nefarious things you conjour in your mind because they simply do not exist.

I will gladly tell you every secret at every meeting I have ever been to. However, you better be prepared to hear an awful lot about charity dinners, youth events, scholarship funds, and other such material because, I assure you, that this is all that we do, from the newest member to the highest ranking brother with decades of experience.

>>And you believe in UFO's!

No, I believe that there are things, which are unidentified, which fly around. Check your facts.


Anonymous said...

John you admit it all. You admit the exclusivity. You know for sure that such could lead to misuse, but you just fail to voice it. Of course your vows prevent you.

Eric Dubay said...

Type "Atlantean Conspiracy" into Google and see where Masons have detracted from my message board threads. John sounds EXACTLY like every other Mason going on about pancake breakfasts and Shriner go-carts.

And there must be 3 or 4 examples on those message board posts of the Masons trying to "level" with us by using the same example. They always say something about UFOs! Without fail, they say just like John: "I myself believe in conspiracies and I even believe there is a legitimate (unknown) UFO phenomenon."

John and my other Mason detractors are well aware the information on my site is true. Read my post on here called: "The Masonic Truth Behind UFOs/Aliens" The Masons in NASA and Hollywood are the one's propagating the whole UFO/Alien campaign. That is way John calls me stupid for exposing the Moon Landing Hoax but he "thinks there's a legitimate UFO phenomenon."


Eric Dubay said...

Tao pointed this out in another thread, but it's golden so I have to put it here too:

Tao said: And you believe in UFO's!

To which John replied: No, I believe that there are things, which are unidentified, which fly around. Check your facts.

UFO = Unidentified Flying Object. "Check your facts, John."


Torq said...

*chuckles madly* He's got you there John!

Anonymous said...

You're doing a great job Eric. Don't worry about these punks above and their smear.

I liked the running photos on your site with the myriad of people doing the mason sign. That was fascinating to watch.

Take good care,

David, Seattle Washington

Unknown said...

John. You will pray for him? To whom do you pray to may I ask?

Let me guess and save you the trouble. You attend a "Christian" church.

Assuming I guessed correctly, I ask you this, Why is the crowned jewel of Masonry,Washington D.C., rife with pagan and occult architecture?
Or perhaps you do pray to Jah-Bulon? lol..let me presume a guess again. You have never heard of such a deity?

I suspect you are what they call a porch Mason. You are the foot soldier who does good works... sorta like a PR guy.
You are brainwashed into taking a stance against truth because of the Masonic influence in your life.
In my are a typical trolling fool who is conditioned to believe certain things no matter what. a.k.a brainwashed.
Another question...John. How many buildings fell on Sept 11 2001 in N.Y.C??

Eric. I have been a daily visitor of your site for quite some time now. The truth is addicting.
I have also turned many friends and co-workers onto The Atlantean Conspiracy.
Stay strong brother.

Eric Dubay said...

Thanks for the support Mike. Peace.

Ben said...

You may want to check the date on these comments Mike - I doubt John will be back to read what we might write to him.

It was, however, an entertaining read... I took the trouble to look up John's old post, and his rhetoric, while I can understand his point of view since I also think Eric is misguided, is a little overboard. I don't know that trying to "stamp out" opinions such as Eric's is the appropriate course of action for those of us who disagree with him. I would think that the more exchange of ideas that occurs, the better off we'll all be.

I am curious, though, as to what Eric's opinion of John's rant about the good works of Freemasonry is. Do you think John is legitimately doing good works and just hasn't seen the cabal of bad people that exists above him, or do you think his rants are a lie? Or are his "friends" at high ranks that he cites just deceiving him? You sound in these comments as though you think he's actively lying to attempt to discredit you.

Eric Dubay said...

All Masons take blood oaths each degree they advance swearing at sword point that they will never divulge the secrets of FreeMasonry. The various oaths each degree have been printed and confirmed by defunct Masons. This means that all Masons have sworn oaths to lie to us non-Masons. They are all sworn liars. Since John and all Masons are sworn liars, I don't trust him or care to associate with him until he decides 100% honesty and integrity is more important than his fun little rich boy club.

Anonymous said...

I think the real concern here is the facts about oklahoma city, if you read the honest reports of witnesses and acknoldge the common since facts of the handling of the evidence and the patsys lack of due process, the demotions of experts for refuseing to lie, the murders of a dr. And a policeman who were on scene and refused to falseify there reports. On. And on and on! There were at least 75 ligitimate questions that wrre never answered, after reading the investagative report compiled by james nichols and bob popavich it will make you sick if you love your country. You don't have to be left wing or right wing just have some common since. Part of me wants to educate my teenage sons but the more caring part for them doesn't want them to see such evidence against there country althought I know niether of my boys would go off the deep end with the truth. Id as soon at this point they fig. It out on there own until its absolutely clear they want to talk about it. The way Tim Mcviegh was done , there wasn't even enough evidence to get an indictment much less a conviction unless you want to belive his cooreced confession In the hands of the lsd Dr. And Quantico, id say they threatened to kill his whole family or got him so doped up he thought it was best to make confession. It was obvious he was going to be found guilty. That's my opinion after reading facts that were public but not mentioned in state ran. Media, most people forgot that a plane load of military brass was blown out of the sky a couple days before okla city, its said they were a coup coming to remove the clintons from office. Its also said thats where the records for the gulf war syndrom were kept. Waco too. Which all was buried and gaurded I guess still to this day. That sounds like a lot more motive to me.than Mcviegh had. Plus it had further purpose to strip our rights and freedom. That killed a bunch of birds with a hand full of stones. Well enough of my rant, I've figured this out and I'm just a high school grad. Ole country boy who belives the truth will set you free.

Eric Dubay said...

Great comment Anonymous, thanks for sharing!

Anonymous said...

How in the hell can one man pull that off?

See that's the problem I always had with 9/11. How can box cutters living in caves half way across the world pull that shit off?

The fact is they didn't.

One man can't pull off something like this.

Box cutters living in caves half way across the world didn't pull 9/11 off. I mean that is the most laughable thing. Go look at the terrorists pass ports that the CIA gave them. Some of them listed crap like "Hotel" for address and "dont know" for name. Yet if I did that on my pass port, they would think I was retarded.

You ever notice how they ALWAYS have the entire thing figured out in no time? With JFK they already had it figured out. With the Oklahoma Bombing, they already had it figured out. 9/11 they had it figured out within an hour.

If you already have your target pinpointed who to blame, how can the masses not see this? It's not because the government is so smart, I mean if that was the case they would have so many murders figured out so quickly. It's because they have a hand in it.

Eric Dubay said...

Spot-on as usual Gary :)