Tuesday, September 7, 2010

The Essene Gospel of Peace

The Essene Gospel of Peace is an amazing treatise by Jesus on healthy living/eating in which he advocates fasting, detoxing, vegetarianism, and a 100% raw food diet. In 1928 Edmund Bordeaux Szekely translated the first English copy of the EGOP which he claims was an ancient Essene manuscript that he stole from secret archives of the Vatican library. The Vatican officially denies this and claims the EGOP to be a fraud.

Note, however, that the Vatican also claims that this guy (see picture below) is the holiest of holy men and God's spokesperson on Earth (pause for chuckles and eye-rolling). Seriously though, if you can't feel the abominable evil emanating from this guy, then you've lost the plot, your sixth-sense is non-existent, and your third-eye is wide shut.

Personally I'm convinced that the EGOP is authentic scripture, and I base that on intuition, verifiable facts of health, similarity to other scriptures, the history/lifestyle of the Essenes, and because the Vatican denies it. Regardless of authenticity though, it is a very interesting text with a multitude of excellent health recommendations, and should be read on that merit alone. Read online here, or download a free PDF version here.





I highly recommend reading the short book for yourselves, but the above videos and the below excerpts should wet your whistle for now. Also check out Debbie Took of Raw for Life's great articles on the EGOP here: Article 1, Article 2.

God, Satan, Sin, and Health

"For I tell you truly, evils and dangers innumerable lie in wait for the Sons of Men. Beelzebub, the prince of all devils, the source of every evil, lies in wait in the body of all the Sons of Men. He is death, the lord of every plague, and taking upon him a pleasing raiment, he tempts and entices the Sons of Men. Riches does he promise, and power, and splendid palaces, and garments of gold and silver, and a multitude of servants, all these; he promises renown and glory, fornication and lustfulness, gluttony and wine-bibbing, riotous living, and slothfulness and idle days. And he entices every one by that to which their heart is most inclined. And in the day that the Sons of Men have already become the slaves of all these vanities and abominations, then in payment thereof he snatches from the Sons of Men all those things which the Earthly Mother gave them so abundantly. He takes from them their breath, their blood, their bone, their flesh, their bowels, their eyes and their ears. And the breath of the Son of Man becomes short and stifled, full of pain and evil-smelling, like the breath of unclean beasts. And his blood becomes thick and evil-smelling, like the water of the swamps; it clots and blackens, like the night of death. And his bone becomes hard and knotted; it melts away within and breaks asunder, as a stone falling down upon a rock. And his flesh waxes fat and watery; it rots and putrefies, with scabs and boils that are an abomination. And his bowels become full with abominable filthiness, with oozing streams of decay; and multitudes of abominable worms have their habitation there. And his eyes grow dim, till dark night enshrouds them, and his ears become stopped, like the silence of the grave. And last of all shall the erring Son of Man lose life. For he kept not the laws of his Mother, and added sin to sin. Therefore, are taken from him all the gifts of the Earthly Mother: breath, blood, bone, flesh, bowels, eyes and ears, and after all else, life, with which the Earthly Mother crowned his body."

"Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life, whereas the scripture is dead. I tell you truly, Moses received not his laws from God in writing, but through the living word. The law is living word of living God to living prophets for living men. In everything that is life is the law written. You find it in the grass, in the tree, in the river, in the mountain, in the birds of heaven, in the fishes of the sea; but seek it chiefly in yourselves. For I tell you truly, all living things are nearer to God than the scripture which is without life. God so made life and all living things that they might by the everlasting word teach the laws of the true God to man. God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your heart and in your spirit. They are in your breath, your blood, your bone; in your flesh, your bowels, your eyes, your ears, and in every little part of your body. They are present in the air, in the water, in the earth, in the plants, in the sunbeams, in the depths and in the heights. They all speak to you that you may understand the tongue and the will of the living God. But you shut your eyes that you may not see, and you shut your ears that you may not hear. I tell you truly, that the scripture is the work of man, but life and all its hosts are the work of our God. Wherefore do you not listen to the words of God which are written in His works? And wherefore do you study the dead scriptures which are the work of the hands of men?"

"You do not understand the words of life, because you are in death. Darkness darkens your eyes and your ears are stopped with deafness. For I tell you, it profits you not at all that you pore over dead scriptures if by your deeds you deny him who has given you the scriptures. I tell you truly, God and his laws are not in that which you do. They are not in gluttony and in wine-bibbing, neither in riotous living, nor in lustfulness, nor in seeking after riches, nor yet in hatred of your enemies. For all these things are far from the true God and from his angels. But all these things come from the kingdom of darkness and the lord of all evils. And all these things do you carry in yourselves; and so the word and the power of God enter not into you, because all manner of evil and all manner of abominations have their dwelling in your body and your spirit. If you will that the living God's word and his power may enter you, defile not your body and your spirit; for the body is the temple of the spirit, and the spirit is the temple of God. Purify, therefore, the temple, that the Lord of the temple may dwell therein and occupy a place that is worthy of him."

Fasting, Detoxing, and True Baptism

"Renew yourselves and fast. For I tell you truly, that Satan and his plagues may only be cast out by fasting and by prayer. Go by yourself and fast alone, and show your fasting to no man. The living God shall see it and great shall be your reward. And fast till Beelzebub and all his evils depart from you, and all the angels of our Earthly Mother come and serve you. For I tell you truly, except you fast, you shall never be freed from the power of Satan and from all diseases that come from Satan. Fast and pray fervently, seeking the power of the living God for your healing."

"Seek, therefore, a large trailing gourd, having a stalk the length of a man; take out its inwards and fill it with water from the river which the sun has warmed. Hang it upon the branch of a tree, and kneel upon the ground before the angel of water, and suffer the end of the stalk of the trailing gourd to enter your hinder parts, that the water may flow through all your bowels. Afterwards rest kneeling on the ground before the angel of water and pray to the living God that he will forgive you all your past sins, and pray the angel of water that he will free your body from every uncleanness and disease. Then let the water run out from your body, that it may carry away from within it all the unclean and evil-smelling things of Satan. And you shall see with your eyes and smell with your nose all the abominations, and uncleannesses which defiled the temple of your body; even all the sins which abode in your body, tormenting you with all manner of pains. I tell you truly, baptism with water frees you from all of these. Renew your baptizing with water on every day of your fast, till the day when you see that the water which flows out of you is as pure as the river's foam. Then betake your body to the coursing river, and there in the arms of the angel of water render thanks to the living God that he has freed you from your sins. And this holy baptizing by the angel of water is: Rebirth unto the new life. For your eyes shall henceforth see, and your ears shall hear. Sin no more, therefore, after your baptism, that the angels of air and of water may eternally abide in you and serve you evermore."

"You suffer, for Satan and his diseases torment your bodies. But fear not, for their power over you will quickly end. For Satan is like a choleric neighbor who entered his neighbor's house while he was absent, intending to take his goods away to his own house. But some told the other that his enemy was ravaging within his house, and he came back to his house, running. And when the wicked neighbor, having gathered together all that pleased him, saw from afar the master of the house returning in haste, then he was very wroth that he could not take all away, and set to breaking and spoiling all that was there, to destroy all. So that even if the things might not be his, the other might have nothing. But immediately the lord of the house came in, and before the wicked neighbor fulfilled his purpose, he took him and cast him out of the house. I tell you truly, even so did Satan enter your bodies which are the habitation of God. And he took in his power all that he wished to steal: your breath, your blood, your bone, your flesh, your bowels, your eyes, and your ears. But by your fasting and your prayer, you have called back the lord of your body and his angels. And now Satan sees that the true lord of your body returns, and that it is the end of his power. Wherefore, in his wrath he gathers his strength once again, that he may destroy your bodies before the coming of the lord. It is for this that Satan torments you so grievously, for he feels that the end is come. But let not your hearts tremble, for soon will the angels of God appear, to occupy again their abodes and rededicate them as temples of God. And they will seize Satan and cast him from your bodies with all his diseases and all his uncleannesses. And happy will you be, for you will receive the reward of your steadfastness, and you will never see disease."

And many unclean and sick followed Jesus' words and sought the banks of the murmuring streams. They put off their shoes and their clothing, they fasted, and they gave up their bodies to the angels of air, of water, and of sunshine. And the Earthly Mother's angels embraced them, possessing their bodies both inwards and outwards. And all of them saw all evils, sins and uncleannesses depart in haste from them. And the breath of some became as stinking as that which is loosed from the bowels, and some had an issue of spittle, and evil-smelling and unclean vomit rose from their inward parts. All these uncleannesses flowed by their mouths. In some, by the nose, in others by the eyes and ears. And many did have a noisome and abominable sweat come from all their body, over all their skin. And on many limbs great hot boils broke forth, from which came out uncleannesses with an evil smell, and urine flowed abundantly from their body; and in many their urine was all but dried up and became thick as the honey of bees; that of others was almost red or black, and as hard almost as the sand of rivers. And many belched stinking gases from their bowels, like the breath of devils. And their stench became so great that none could bear it. And when they baptized themselves, the angel of water entered their bodies, and from them flowed out all the abominations and uncleannesses of their past sins, and like a falling mountain stream gushed from their bodies a multitude of hard and soft abominations. And the ground where their waters flowed was polluted, and so great became the stench that none could remain there. And the devils left their bowels in the shape of multitudinous worms which writhed in impotent rage after the angel of water had cast them out of the bowels of the Sons of Men.

Vegetarianism and Murder

He who kills, kills his brother. And from him will the Earthly Mother turn away, and will pluck from him her quickening breasts. And he will be shunned by her angels, and Satan will have his dwelling in his body. And the flesh of slain beasts in his body will become his own tomb. For I tell you truly, he who kills, kills himself, and whoso eats the flesh of slain beasts, eats of the body of death. For in his blood every drop of their blood turns to poison; in his breath their breath to stink; in his flesh their flesh to boils; in his bones their bones to chalk; in his bowels their bowels to decay; in his eyes their eyes to scales; in his ears their ears to waxy issue. And their death will become his death. For only in the service of your Heavenly Father are your debts of seven years forgiven in seven days. But Satan forgives you nothing and you must pay him for all. 'Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot; burning for burning, wound for wound; life for life, death for death.' For the wages of sin is death. Kill not, neither eat the flesh of your innocent prey, lest you become the slaves of Satan. For that is the path of sufferings, and it leads unto death. But do the will of God, that his angels may serve you on the way of life. Obey, therefore, the words of God: 'Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is breath of life, I give every green herb for meat. Also the milk of every thing that moveth and liveth upon earth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given unto them, so I give their milk unto you. But flesh, and the blood which quickens it, shall ye not eat."

And after these words they all remained silent, save one, who called out: "What am I to do, Master, if I see a wild beast rend my brother in the forest? Shall I let my brother perish, or kill the wild beast? Shall not I thus transgress the law?"

And Jesus answered: "It was said to them of old time: 'All beasts that move upon the earth, all the fish of the sea, and all the fowl of the air are given into thy power.' I tell you truly, of all creatures living upon the earth, God created only man after his image. Wherefore beasts are for man, and not man for beasts. You do not, therefore, transgress the law if you kill the wild beast to save your brother's life. For I tell you truly, man is more than the beast. But he who kills the beast without a cause, though the beast attack him not, through lust for slaughter, or for its flesh, or for its hide, or yet for its tusks, evil is the deed which he does, for he is turned into a wild beast himself. Wherefore is his end also as the end of the wild beasts."

"I do say to you: Kill neither men, nor beasts, nor yet the food which goes into your mouth. For if you eat living food, the same will quicken you, but if you kill your food, the dead food will kill you also. For life comes only from life, and from death comes always death. For everything which kills your foods, kills your bodies also. And everything which kills your bodies kills your souls also. And your bodies become what your foods are, even as your spirits, likewise, become what your thoughts are."

Raw Food

"So eat always from the table of God: the fruits of the trees, the grain and grasses of the field, the milk of beasts, and the honey of bees. For everything beyond these is of Satan, and leads by the way of sins and of diseases unto death. But the foods which you eat from the abundant table of God give strength and youth to your body, and you will never see diseases. For the table of God fed Methuselah of old, and I tell you truly, if you live even as he lived, then will the God of the living give you also long life upon the earth as was his. For I tell you truly, the God of the living is richer than all the rich of the earth, and his abundant table is richer than the richest table of feasting of all the rich upon the earth. Eat, therefore, all your life at the table of our Earthly Mother, and you will never see want. And when you eat at her table, eat all things even as they are found on the table of the Earthly Mother. Cook not, neither mix all things one with another, lest your bowels become as steaming bogs. For I tell you truly, this is abominable in the eyes of the Lord."

"Therefore, eat not anything which fire, or frost, or water has destroyed. For burned, frozen and rotted foods will burn, freeze and rot your body also. Be not like the foolish husbandman who sowed in his ground cooked, and frozen, and rotten seeds. And the autumn came, and his fields bore nothing. And great was his distress. But be like that husbandman who sowed in his field living seed, and whose field bore living ears of wheat, paying a hundredfold for the seeds which he planted. For I tell you truly, live only by the fire of life, and prepare not your foods with the fire of death, which kills your foods, your bodies and your souls also."

"Master, where is the fire of life?" asked some of them.

"In you, in your blood, and in your bodies."

"And the fire of death?" asked others.

"It is the fire which blazes outside your body, which is hotter than your blood. With that fire of death you cook your foods in your homes and in your fields. I tell you truly, it is the same fire which destroys your foods and your bodies, even as the fire of malice, which ravages your thoughts, ravages your spirits. For your body is that which you eat, and your spirit is that which you think. Eat nothing, therefore, which a stronger fire than the fire of life has killed. Wherefore, prepare and eat all fruits of trees, and all grasses of the fields, and all milk of beasts good for eating. For all these are fed and ripened by the fire of life; all are the gift of the angels of our Earthly Mother. But eat nothing to which only the fire of death gives savor, for such is of Satan."

Jesus' Raw Unleavened Wheat Bread

"How should we cook our daily bread without fire, Master?" asked some with great astonishment.

"Let the angels of God prepare your bread. Moisten your wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ of life to sprout in your wheat. Then crush your grain, and make thin wafers, as did your forefathers when they departed out of Egypt, the house of bondage. Put them back again beneath the sun from its appearing, and when it is risen to its highest in the heavens, turn them over on the other side that they be embraced there also by the angel of sunshine, and leave them there until the sun be set. For the angels of water, of air, and of sunshine fed and ripened the wheat in the field, and they, likewise, must prepare also your bread. And the same sun which, with the fire of life, made the wheat to grow and ripen, must cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life to the wheat, to the bread, and to the body. But the fire of death kills the wheat, the bread, and the body. And the living angels of the living God serve only living men. For God is the God of the living, and not the God of the dead."

35 comments:

Transcend Designs said...

Nice post & thanks,
I haven't read it yet, but knew it was one of Dan's eyeopeners...

Honestly, who could possibly trust the Evil Emperor...

Noor al Haqiqa said...

My daughter has recently become a RAW food person. She took about five months to get to this point. Each month she dropped one thing or another from her diet, learned her allergies, etc.

In the meantime she never once lost her amazing zing for life, lost 10 pounds she never really needed to lose, and threw herself energetically into experimentation.

She is a serious soccer player so the weekends are high level activity with practices on week nights. She is writing her thesis for her Masters in Computer and Math abstractions. She visits her family often and spends time with her ancient grandmother.

She has always been more alive than so many people but now she is even MORE alive because her few allergies have disappeared.

But what really blows me away is the food she makes. She is very strict with herself and there is no deviance from her path.

When she makes something to eat, it is researched to be complete and where once maybe 5 cookies were needed to fill an sweet need, now only one does it because every darn bite is 50 chews, each chew an explosion of another unexpected flavor... and delicious.

And of course she goes for natural as often as possible. We are still looking for the perfect water system, short of digging a well like my brother did.

She is all these things and a bag of chips. Oh and drop dead gorgeous with her South Pacific and French/Irish/Cherokee combination genes. Let no one ever tell you raw food is unhealthy or a practitioner must be a nerd or whatever.

I am thinking I did something right, now to change my own routine......

Eric Dubay said...

Wow, that's great to hear. I'm feeling excellent as well. Just got off a 3 day water fast and now I'm re-building with all raw vegetarian foods. I also just bought a BioCERA anti-oxidant, alkaline water purifier today which is awesome. It puts the water through like 11 different filters and comes out smooth, pure, and odorless with a pH of about 9.

I recommend for anyone who eats meat to try going vegetarian for a couple weeks and see how you feel. Anyone who's already vegetarian, I recommend try going raw for a couple weeks and see how you feel. It takes a while to adjust, you will have an unhealthy addiction to meat/cooked foods, but once you feel the difference then ween yourself off for good, I doubt you'll ever want to go back. Peace

Anonymous said...

I personally think this whole story was written with the intention of a rebuttal to some of the historic literature contained in the modern "bible". The founding of this book is not backed by any solid historical or archaelogical evidence. Heck, where are the pictures that show the original manuscripts if they still exist?? But at any rate, there is good advice in it for sure. :)

Anonymous said...

Did they have frozen food in Christs day?

Anonymous said...

"Personally I'm convinced that the EGOP is authentic, holy scripture, and I base that on intuition, verifiable facts of health, similarity to other scriptures, the history/lifestyle of the Essenes, and because the Vatican denies it."

The failures in logic and evidence you are making here are naked and clear. 1. Intuition can be wrong and usually is. 2. Everything in the book was common in naturopathy at the time so if it contains good info obtained through trial an error over millenia that means nothing. 3. Because the vatican denies it? That's not evidence that's your conspiracist wishful thinking mind sorry.

Please, there is some good ideas and info but science and reason can determine these things alone. We don't need to teach gullible people that this hoax has merit in order to improve the lives of others. There's every reason to think he hoaxed us.

Think about this tenet of the IBS "We believe that we shall preserve the vegetation of our planet: the humble grass which came 50 million years ago and the majestic trees which came 20 million years ago, to prepare our planet for mankind."

What crazy nonsense! This guy was snapped in the head and fits the profile of a hoaxer. There being no evidence of the original text, and every reason to doubt his story, it's an obvious fraud.

Please stop poisoning the well.

Eric Dubay said...

You could be right Anonymous, good points. Peace.

Growly said...

I agree that the Pope and his church are the source of great evil on this planet, but the vegetarianism thing is a load of c**p, literally. Humans are not cows and our bodies are not designed to process large quantities of raw vegetation and the masses of waste resulting from it. If we were we'd have multi-chambered stomachs and the ability to break down cellulose, which all plants cells which protect all those nutrients everyone goes on about. The only way to break the cellulose envelope is to crush it or destroy it with heat or water. Our bodies are designed to eat meat. Not raw veg. Sorry people.

Growly said...

I also believe that the EGOP is a hoax. Not because the vatican denies it, but because it steers people away from the truth and towards the lies advocated by those who worship the vatican. They are getting smarter and using reverse psychology on people now. So beware.

Eric Dubay said...

Our bodies are designed to eat meat. Not raw veg. Sorry people.

Sorry Growly, you're wrong.

The Whole Food Plant Based Diet

The Cure for Everything - Fasting, Detox, and Raw Living Foods

The Healthiest, Fittest People in the World

Raw Vegan Body Building

The World's Sexiest Seniors are Raw

Raw For Life

"In using comparative anatomy to determine what man was "meant" to eat, we should look at the species most similar to man, namely the anthropoid apes--chimpanzees, gibbons, gorillas, and orangutans. Of all animals, man's digestive organs and teeth most closely resemble these apes. In captivity, some of these animals will eat meat if forced to rather than starve to death. But in the wild, all eat a vegetarian diet."

"Another strong clue that man is naturally a vegetarian is the fact that vegetarians in general are much healthier than omnivores. The American Dietetic Association has acknowledged that vegetarians are less at risk for a number of chronic diseases, including heart disease, some types of cancer, obesity, high blood pressure, and adult-onset diabetes."

"Eating a healthy diet goes far beyond cutting back a bit on red meat. In a recent study of 6,500 Chinese, Dr. T. Collin Campbell of Cornell found that even though the Chinese overall eat only a fraction of the animal protein Americans do, those who ate the least animal protein nonetheless had lower risk of disease than the average Chinese. Dr. Campbell concludes, "We're basically a vegetarian species and should be eating a wide variety of plant foods and minimizing our intake of animal foods." --Glen Kime, president, Vegetarian Society of Washington, D.C.

The American Dietetic Association notes that "most of mankind for most of human history has lived on vegetarian or near-vegetarian diets."

And much of the world still lives that way. Even on most industrialized countries, the love affair with meat is less than a hundred years old. It started with the refrigerator car and the twentieth-century consumer society. But even with the twentieth century, man's body hasn't adapted to eating meat. The prominent Swedish scientist Karl von Linne states, "Man's structure, external and internal, compared with that of the other animals, shows that fruit and succulent vegetables constitute his natural food."

Eric Dubay said...

Meat-eaters: have claws
Herbivores: no claws
Humans: no claws

Meat-eaters: have no skin pores and perspire through the tongue
Herbivores: perspire through skin pores
Humans: perspire through skin pores

Meat-eaters: have sharp front teeth for tearing, with no flat molar teeth for grinding
Herbivores: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding
Humans: no sharp front teeth, but flat rear molars for grinding

Meat-eaters: have intestinal tract that is only 3 times their body length so that rapidly decaying meat can pass through quickly
Herbivores: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.
Humans: have intestinal tract 10-12 times their body length.

Meat-eaters: have strong hydrochloric acid in stomach to digest meat
Herbivores: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater
Humans: have stomach acid that is 20 times weaker than that of a meat-eater

Meat-eaters: salivary glands in mouth not needed to pre-digest grains and fruits.
Herbivores: well-developed salivary glands which are necessary to pre-digest grains and fruits
Humans: well-developed salivary glands, which are necessary to pre-digest, grains and fruits

Meat-eaters: have acid saliva with no enzyme ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Herbivores: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains
Humans: have alkaline saliva with ptyalin to pre-digest grains

Growly said...

Hi Eric, it seems you have been convinced by incorrect data. Could you please quote your source. I will provide just one link as this man cites ALL of the references behind his claims, which happen to agree with the ideas I came up with myself and those I have channeled from my guide. http://www.second-opinions.co.uk/veg_index.html
Please check out the articles on the comparison of digestive tracts of a human with a sheep and a dog. He also shows the anatomy of a gorilla is very different from that of a human, which goes against what you have quoted. Also for those interested in the Bible he has cited many passages which show people are supposed to eat meat. Vegetarianism is a modern myth set up by the self-styled elite who rule us to lead us away from true healthy-eating so they can make us sick and peddle their drugs and make themselves rich. Humans suffer from more diseases than any other animal on the planet. This is because we do not eat what we naturally should, but what our governments tell us. 5 plus a day is propaganda. Now in Denmark they are taxing products with saturated fat to stop people eating them, even though Denmark has a lower than average level of obesity.. this is to force them to eat polyunsaturated plant oils which give you cancer.

Growly said...

I'm reading over what Eric has quoted from others again, rather than what he came up with himself... and the quotes are clearly lies. They are absolutely untrue. The reason I found this blog was cos I was trying to find information about the beliefs of the Essenes. In my last comment, I mentioned I channel messages from a guide. This guide showed me how he looked nearly 3 years ago but until I saw a documentary and a drama the other day with people wearing the same clothes I did not know which culture he belonged to, but I'm almost certain now that it was the Essenes. He has been showing me how the true messages and guidance given to mankind over the last 2 centuries has been corrupted. I was already aware of what people refer to as 'conspiracy theories'. Now I am putting two and two together with his help and seeing all the untruths clearer than before. Eric quotes someone as saying mankind has only become obsessed with meat in the last 100 years for example. This is simply untrue. He has only become obsessed with grain-based and vegetarian diets in the last 100 years. Before 1930 breakfast cereal did not exist. Rolled oats for porridge did of course, but that was it. Cereal was fed only to horses. The French who still today do not really eat cereal still laugh at the English who eat 'horse feed' for breakfast. Wheat does have ancient uses that much is true, but it is a question of the quantities they ate. Far less than is advocated today. Flesh on the other hand has centuries old traditions. Asians still eat a largely raw fish based diet as they have done for thousands of years. Europeans also spent a long time eating a lot of fish, the coast lines were different back then. Fish we often called brain food. This is literally true. It is what encouraged our brains to grow larger. Our brains today have now shrunk. They are 8% smaller than they were several centuries ago. This is because we are starving them of the Omega fats they prefer and feeding them plant-oils instead, which they cannot use and which make us sick. At birth a new born human babies fat by percentage is just 3% polyunsaturated. The rest is saturated and monounsaturated. As we become adults, the ratio of mono and saturated fats changes, but the poly's stays the same..just 3%. And this can be manufactured by the body from animal sources. Plant sources are not required. Where would we get our vitamin C from you cry? From red meat.. which contains vitamin C, in the presence of iron which it requires for absorption. Citrus fruit has more Vitamin C yes, but A it does not contain the iron needed and B citrus did not grow across the entire planet and would not have been available in colder climates. Red meat however was. Eric please think carefully before cutting and pasting quotes from other biased people which support your beliefs with lies. You are merely promoting the interests of those who seek to make us sick and enslave us.

Growly said...

I will say this to you Eric, I find it really disappointing that someone who is clearly so aware of the New World order's plans fails to see that their fierce support of 5 plus a day and other anti-meat dietary programmes is also part of their plans. Why would they support us eating healthily? Healthy people do not require drugs and dietary supplements to combat obesity, diabetes, high cholesterol, heartburn and angina, problems with depression, cancers, and a while host of other ailments. They control the media. They control what gets published and promoted by the mainstream. And the mainstream advocates a low-meat, low salt, low saturated fat diet. They twist the results of health studies, which their corporations fund, to suit their own purposes. The site I sent you a link to earlier, Dr. Groves Second Opinions site gives many many references to the studies and articles he refers to. The book you are quoting do not. That is because the information is fiction is NWO fiction and propaganda. I urge you to look more closely at this stuff, if you really believe as I do that the NWO are out to get us. We've been eating their so-called 'healthy diet' for 25 years now and are more overweight and unhealthy than ever. You're a clever guy - don't let them fool you!

Eric Dubay said...

Could you please quote your source.

http://www.eatveg.com/anatomy.htm

http://www.robertmorsend.com/

http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/vegetarian-foods-powerful-for-health

http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/frequently-asked-questions-about-nutrition

http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html

http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

I can give you links all day Growly but you're obviously only interested in arguing and don't care about the truth of this matter. I have provided you in my last comment and now this one with enough links/information to answer every question you could possibly have about this diet but you still think eating rotting animal corpses and excretions is healthy, so stop pretending like you have an open mind and go eat some scrambled chicken periods.

The reason I found this blog was cos I was trying to find information about the beliefs of the Essenes.

The Essenes were all vegetarian. It's called compassion. Not only is vegetarianism good for your health, it shows compassion towards all creatures, something the Essenes cared about and you do not:

Stop Eating My Friends!

End the Animal Holocaust!

You're a clever guy

Thanks. You're retarded. Peace.

Growly said...

Insulting someone is the first sign of losing a debate Eric. I never insulted the food you eat, I just said it was wrong. As for ideaology on compassion, you are assuming that it isn't unkind to murder plants. Plants are creatures too and more aware of what is going on in their environment than you think. This is a concept no vegetarian ever even thinks of. Yet they happily kill plants every day. Everything on earth must consume the remains of something else to survive. The remains can be alive, or dead, like your dead plants. The plants themselves often survive on the remains of dead animals, as well as other dead plants, in addition to the food they make from sunlight.
As for your links, i did actually check most of them out, but the pages you gave me did not cite actual scientific references. It is not unreasonable to expect those when you make the aggressive claims you do against eating meat.
Lastly, you clearly don't have an open mind, because you are supporting the NWO's propaganda machine to make us unhealthy. I'm not saying that they aren't also contaminating the meat I advocate with drugs and hormones, cos they are. But they aren't advising us to eat meat.. they are recommending 5 plus servings of fresh fruit and vegetables per day. Sounds good doesn't it.. too good to be true when it is them who are suggesting it. It is because I am interested in the truth of these matters that I engaged you in debate, but clearly it is you who is closed minded and making the insulting disrespectful comments about animal food and products shows how truly biased and far from the truth you are. I will have to search elsewhere for what the Essenes ate as I won't find an unbiased fact-based article here.

Eric Dubay said...

"The final point I would like to make on how we as humans were not meant to eat meat is this. All omnivorous and carnivorous animals eat their meat raw. When a lion kills an herbivore for food, it tears right into the stomach area to eat the organs that are filled with blood (nutrients). While eating the stomach, liver, intestine, etc., the lion laps the blood in the process of eating the dead animals flesh. Even bears that are omnivores eat salmon raw. However, eating raw or bloody meat disgust us as humans. Therefore, we must cook it and season it to buffer the taste of flesh. If a deer is burned in a forest fire, a carnivorous animal will NOT eat its flesh. Even circus lions have to be feed raw meat so that they will not starve to death. If humans were truly meant to eat meat, then we would eat all of our meat raw and bloody. The thought of eating such meat makes one’s stomach turn. This is my point on how we as humans are conditioned to believe that animal flesh is good for us and that we were meant to consume it for survival and health purposes. If we are true carnivores or omnivores, cooking our meat and seasoning it with salt, ketchup, or tabasco sauce would disguise and we as humans would refuse to eat our meat in this form."

Still think you're an omnivore/carnivore Growly? Video tape yourself catching an animal with your bare hands, then bite into it and eat the raw meat and and drink the blood like every other omnivore/carnivore in existence. Put that on YouTube and I'll shut up. What's that? You only eat meat that's been cleaned, cooked, and seasoned? Oh I see, so you're a herbivore/frugivore pretending you're a carnivore. You eating hamburgers and steak is about as natural as a lion sitting down at a dinner table and eating soup with a spoon.

Growly said...

There are plenty of humans who are not disgusted by eating raw meat, what are you talking about? Maybe it disgusts an American like yourself, but the Japanese, Inuit and many other native tribes love their raw fish and meat. Smoking meat is also popular, partly to preserve it for longer and also to reduce bacteria as a whole beast cannot be eaten quickly as it would be if a pack of lions ate it. I eat my meat rare, though I do cook the outer surface of it yes as that has been exposed to air. The interior is fine, unless it's chicken which should always be thoroughly cooked. Also the conditions some animals are kept in are sometimes unsanitary and their treatment inhumane as you show in your links. I do not agree with this behaviour. I was raised on a farm in New Zealand and I did know the cows we slaughtered and ate them afterwards. I also know that they were always well-treated, loved and respected. It is possible to do both, like the native American indians who used to hunt buffalo. They honoured the spirits of the animals they ate and then made use of every part. They didn't wring their hands over the animals death like a lot of people who are on again off again vegetarians. Many cultures drank blood of animals, as the Masai continue to do, mixed with milk. Organ meats are prized in many cultures, but not so much in the West, like America. Horse heart is served in places like Europe however, and my family were fond of sheeps brain and stomach lining, cows tongue, liver and kidneys, though I myself didn't really like them. Arabs eat sheeps eyes, Polynesians/Malaysians as you should be aware living in Thailand eat fish heads. You cannot make a gross global generalisation on the tastes of humans around the entire world, when you are sharing only an American view. Raw meat is better than cooked, because cooking turns the fat into a bad fat which contributes to cancer. Frying is the worst way to cook it. However marinating it in red wine, olive oil or garlic can help mitigate some of these negative side effects from cooking. Raw vegetables/fruit on the other hand must have the cellulose wall broken in order to get at the nutrients, meaning steaming, boiling, roasting, freezing, blending or crushing. Yes this does destroy a percentage of those vitamins, but it also makes them available in the first place which they are not much when you eat them raw as there is nothing in the body which breaks down starch except as you rightly pointed out amylase in the saliva which is a carry over from our prehistoric time as omnivores in the trees like monkeys, which is why brushing teeth is so important after eating fruit or bread. When I eat solely meat and nothing else, as I often do, my teeth rarely need brushing - there is no plaque build up, though I brush them anyway just to be sure.

Eric Dubay said...

Insulting someone is the first sign of losing a debate Eric.

I'm not interested in trying to convince you of something you've already decided against. I will however insult your lack of intelligence in discerning the health benefits of raw veganism. For every link you can provide saying meat is good for you I can provide 5 saying it isn't. I know from personal experience and clinical evidence the benefits:

The Cure For Everything

As for ideaology on compassion, you are assuming that it isn't unkind to murder plants. Plants are creatures too and more aware of what is going on in their environment than you think. This is a concept no vegetarian ever even thinks of.

Plants do not run away when I try to eat them. Plants do not scream and cry when I pick them. Plants do not have a mother or father that mourns after I eat their child. Plants do not have a face, a nervous system, sentience, or mobility, but you don't care about any of that, because you've already made your mind up and you're grasping at straws like "plants are alive tooooo" because this kind of ridiculous argument is all you've got left.

When fruit falls from a tree it contains seeds that will grow a whole other tree with hundreds more fruits and thousands more seeds to continue to process of life. When you eat from plants they regenerate and grow back missing limbs to continue the process of life. But when you kill an animal and eat its corpse, you end the process of life. Have fun with your unsustainable, unhealthy, uncompassionate diet and send me a link to that YouTube video I requested, murderer. Happy heart disease!

Eric Dubay said...

Maybe it disgusts an American like yourself, but the Japanese, Inuit and many other native tribes love their raw fish and meat.

Bears catch salmon and eat them whole, skin, bones and blood. The Japanese, Inuits or any other humans do not regularly eat fish skin, bones, or blood. Even if they do eat the meat raw, they clean it, cure it, put it on rice and dip it in wasabi.

Catch a fish with your hands, using your non-existent carnivorous claws, bite into it with your non-existent carnivorous fangs while it's still alive like every other carnivore, and swallow it skin, bones, and blood... practice what you preach... then put that shit on YouTube.

I was raised on a farm in New Zealand and I did know the cows we slaughtered and ate them afterwards. I also know that they were always well-treated, loved and respected. It is possible to do both, like the native American indians who used to hunt buffalo. They honoured the spirits of the animals they ate and then made use of every part.

If someone kept you in captivity for your entire life, pretended to love you, then murdered and ate your flesh whenever they felt it was time, would that be okay with you? Is this really your definition of "love" and "respect?" Ludicrous.

"Man is the only animal that can remain on friendly terms with the victims he intends to eat until he eats them" ~Samuel Butler

Many cultures drank blood of animals, as the Masai continue to do, mixed with milk. Organ meats are prized in many cultures, but not so much in the West, like America. Horse heart is served in places like Europe however, and my family were fond of sheeps brain and stomach lining, cows tongue, liver and kidneys, though I myself didn't really like them. Arabs eat sheeps eyes, Polynesians/Malaysians as you should be aware living in Thailand eat fish heads.

I'm sure you could find me some Japanese porn with a woman eating human shit, but that doesn't mean it's healthy! What are you trying to prove with this disgusting diatribe? Animal protein is terrible for human health, it rots in the intestines, it's full of parasites, it's been directly linked to cancer and heart disease, it's the sole source of bad cholesterol, and it's the most mucus-forming, lymph-clogging and constipating "food." Go to PCRM.org and get the facts. I've wasted more than enough time trying to pry open your closed mind.

Dave Pilgrim said...

Found it ironic that Growly was insisting that Eric back up his assertions with sound scientific evidence (which Eric did) while Growly himself makes his claims based on 'channeled messages' from some disembodied voice in his head! LMAO Why do some people give more credence to voices in their head than to what any regular person tells them?

Eric Dubay said...

Right!? Thanks for the dose of sanity.

dominick virgilio said...

this eric you have got to be the biggest idiot going your knowledge is a joke when you said insulating someone is the first sign of losing an agrument i am insulting you and I don't feel that who made that up you AS A VEGAN CHRISTIAN for 26 years GOD HATES MEAT EATING get it through your LUSTING HEAD

Anonymous said...

Funny to read growly's comments since I came here researching the Essenes having read of the comittment to vegetarianism elsewhere....if he carried on his research he'd have found the same (or ask his guide?). I have read one source which says the essenes were celebate on the other hand I'm interested in John Shelby Spong's suggestion that Jesus and Mary Magdalene may have been married....both are unlikely to be true...any thoughts?

Growly said...

Hi anonymous, I do in fact already know that the Essenes were strict vegetarians and I don't refute that. I'm pretty confident that they were.

I AM said...

"Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength: this is the first and greatest commandment.' And the second is like unto it: 'Love thy neighbor as thyself' There is none other commandment greater than these."


If you kept these two commandments it would not matter if you ate meat or not. The seven commandments Jesus gave to the Essenes like the Ten (and then some) commandments Moses gave to the Jews were in response to their distance from God. As one approaches the throne but one commandment remains (the first one).

I AM said...

and Eric, God is much more concerned with your involvement in the martial arts, which ultimately teaches violence against one's enemies instead of loving surrender than with what you are eating.

Eric Dubay said...

Martial Arts, especially the soft-form arts like Wing Chun, Aikido, Tai Chi, etc. are used to direct an opponents energy away from our centerline and using it against them. This is "self-defense" in the truest sense of the word. Your Judeo-Christian God is certainly not against warfare and killing with all the smiting, animal sacrifices, raining down of sulphur etc. so I don't see why you're trying to split hairs saying your God doesn't want us to learn self-defense. Krishna, an earlier Hindu version of the Christ you believe in, encouraged Arjuna to fight and kill in self-defense those who would fight and kill him and his family. Your "leave it up to God" philosophy is flawed and retarded. If you think God will protect you from the dangers of this world, go swimming with sharks, play in a tiger cage, stand at the edge of an active volcano, or better yet just lay down, do nothing the rest of your life and wait for God to put food and water in your mouth. He wouldn't let you die would he!? He'll protect you from bad guys if you believe in him enough, right? It's okay to rape, torture, murder, and eat animals but don't you dare take martial arts or try to defend yourself and other innocents, right?

Anonymous said...

It is so sad to see that so many are following in the path of Satan. Those who kill and abuse animals, those that eat animals. The health of those is consumed with disease. It is a fact, the foods consumed today are killing people.

Check out the latest medical findings from Dr. Sanjay Gupta. The one that saved Bill Clintons life. Search Google for it.


I am a vegan, because I have no right to contribute to the suffering of another, simply for ones appetite.


Animals are God's creatures, they are not to be abused or murdered at the hands of humans.
Yet so many people are in denial about this.. I pray for those people, that they will walk in the way of God and NOT Satan.

Kieran DSouza said...

This ranting of Mr. Growly is typical of people living in times of supermarkets and refrigerators. Take these away and then it will dawn on him how difficult it is to sustain on meat consumption daily compared to fresh fruits and salads. How much time to smoker your meat, salt it etc.

The night is the best time to know your physiology. At night we are definitely prey not predator as we don't have night vision of true carnivores so we have to sleep locked within our 4 walls.

Anonymous said...

My friend Vadim Viazmin is a healer, martial artist, biochemist, healer and "real" Yogi who lives in Moscow. He has been a raw foodist since 1980. Not easy in Russia...especially then. However, his martial arts teacher (called The Unbeatable in a documentary about him) told him if he was serious about his spiritual evolution he must study Sanskrit. So he did...Russia has the largest Sanskrit library in the world (took it from the Nazi's who collected such things). In the oldest written literature in the world it says "The raw foods diet is the ultimate diet for health and Longevity" This was pronounced by the Holy Great Siddha Masters of India. Surely this ancient knowledge was sought out and found by Jesus and the Essenes. Anyone who has embarked on a raw food diet knows the rewards. I am a nutritionist. Twenty years ago I was dying of cancer. Today at age 67 I still run, sleep little, and look around 40 according to many. I am still curious, have no aches and pains, wear no glasses, am slim and fit. My husband, also a raw foodist, will be 70. He runs 3-4 miles easily, sleeps only 4-6 hours a night, easily sits in full lotus, does push ups, head stands and runs easily up 6 flights of NY Stairs. My 45 year old girl friend can't believe it. Women of all ages are attracted to him. Raw food is it...The great apes are our closest ancestors with the exact same digestive tract. They eat greens all day long...some fruit and a pod will eat a tiny bit of meat from a ripped up monkey every few months...Raw of course...We drink some raw milk...not too much...eat a big salad every day...lots of alkaline water and lots of raw beggies and sprouts. We have eaten this way for over 20 years and feel better now than 20 years ago.

Eric Dubay said...

Thanks for that great comment Anonymous. I have seen and heard so many great examples like yours, as well as experienced the results first-hand for myself, that I am convinced raw plant foods are what humans optimally thrive on. Keep setting your inspiring example for us young-ins! Peace

Anonymous said...

I know this was a while ago, but I just wanted to point out as someone mentioned Omega Fatty Acids and plants not being able to provide this for us. Well, they're wrong, at least when it comes to Omega Fatty Acids 3 and 6 and their well balanced ratio. I've read elsewhere (I can't remember the site) on a list of all things found in cannabis (both hemp and marijuana varieties) and there was a list of at least four or five Omega fatty acids.

Also...if man was to live in the garden of Eden, his diet would have consisted of nothing but raw, vegetarian foods. I will go one step farther and say that man was meant to live on raw fruits, vegetables and grains and most importantly ENTHEOGENS! Which I know you already know all about!

BTW, I'm loving your blog. Lots of good information. Some of it I don't readily agree with, but on the whole I say good work!

Mo Fayed said...

If the EOG is 'authentic scripture' I am the Pope. Anyone who has taken a look at the Essene texts or extra-canonical works of the period would spot it as a hopeless fraud immediately, there is no hint of similarity to anything from Qumran, Nag Hamadi, the Enoch books or any of the Jewish apocryphal texts.

Anonymous said...


"Still think you're an omnivore/carnivore Growly? Video tape yourself catching an animal with your bare hands, then bite into it and eat the raw meat and and drink the blood like every other omnivore/carnivore in existence. Put that on YouTube and I'll shut up."

I'd like to see a video of animals tilling and preparing the soil to sow/plant crops, vines, orchards, and tending to them before harvesting, all in the correct season.
Humans are above animals, even says that in EGOP, so any argument about growing/catching food as if we are the same as animals is a waste of time. You can't live on what you just happen to find growing around your area, and anything you did find would be a result of human presence anyway.
The Essene's grew food, they didn't wander around hoping to find food. Saying a meat eater should hunt, kill and eat just as a lion to prove they should be meat eaters, is the same as saying vegetarians should wander around eating only what grows naturally in the wild just as an animal, to prove their point. How long would they live? We are humans, we can think and plan where our food comes from and how we prepare and eat it. Whether you agree or not with what you think should be eaten as food.