Saturday, December 3, 2011

The End of Icke



YouTuber Gorilla199 has continued to piece together more compelling evidence that David Icke, like Alex Jones, and other well-placed conspiracy figure-heads are in fact controlled opposition leaders. Remember, as Lenin said, "the best way to control the opposition is to lead it." Please have a look at the following articles and share your thoughts below: The End of Icke, David Icke Debunked, David Icke Exposed, David Icke the Freemason, False Shepherds, David Icke Whitewashes Judaism

55 comments:

سلامة - Salama said...

I had no doubt (judging by their COMMERCIAL Success) and Hints made by Alan Watt (Cutting through the Matrix Podcast) made me more certain.

Anonymous said...

Hey Eric, interesting stuff. I've just taken a quick look at the website for the artist who's doing David's books, Neil Hague. First think I paid found is this:

http://www.neilhague.com/viewpage.php?page_id=40

It's a link to a painting the artist titles "Christ Consciousness," it depicts Christ as a sun God. Next to him are three spirals. The spiral is a symbol for six (6) and serpent. No question.

Anonymous said...

Here's another painting by David's artist, Neil Hague, called braking down doors. It's a woman in a mediation posture surrounded by a checkered floor and ceiling: http://www.neilhague.com/photogallery.php?photo_id=180

Eric Dubay said...

Nice finds Anonymous. Icke's books are riddled with all the typical masonic/occult imagery, he makes the hand-signs, does the hand-shakes, he was a BBC reporter, a pro-footballer, and a Green party politician (but now he's "anti-establishment"), his son's become a famous singer using occult images, his ex-wife is openly a witch and uses all the occult symbolism, he's been photographed in a masonic lodge making masonic gestures, he claimed to be the Son of God on national TV, he mixes lots of truth with garbage like aliens controlling us from the hollow moon base with mind beams and inter-dimensional reptilian cannibal body-snatchers, and just like Alex Jones (and his dual-Israeli citizen wife and two children) he whitewashes and steers people clear of the Jewish question:

Alex Jones vs. Prothink

Is Alex Jones a Zionist Shill?

Alex Jones blasts the airwaves with "it's the offshore banking cartels", David Icke, who writes about Rothschilds as the shape shifting reptiles, says in his new book that the hollow moon alien base that controls the human emotional matrix. Uh huh. I see, it's not the Jews, it's the moon. I better get my tinfoil hat.

Is it Offshore Banks? Is it Israel? Is it Zionism? Or is it the Jews Who Practice Judaism?

Druv said...

I do not disagree or agree that David Icke is or isnt Illuminati, the main point is the true origins of the symbols of the halo, and the hand signs.

I have already said that the original "Hand Signs" originated from "Yoga" which are to control the flow of Life force energy.

Converting one form of energy into another.

Illuminati's main objective was to eliminate all the knowledge of the flow of life from the "Goyim" so all of you can be easily controlled.

This video not only negates David's work but also the Positive "Pagan" symbology he associates himself with, and that is their true objective!

To make you fear all the hand signs and the positive symbols so the Goyims can be controlled.

Sorry to give you all a wake up call, all of you are nothing more than converted "pagans".

btw, how did the idiot in the video conclude that "Zeus" is a devil or some thing?

The fraudulent concept of Magic was the creation of the Zealot core that had taken over Rome, and created Christianity over the Celtic Civilization.

They are the ones who created the fraud of Magic, and witch craft so the people can be warped and manipulated into the Abrahmic cults they created.

After the Zealot core took over Rome, and created Christianity -- they used the concept of witch craft and magic to instill fear in people so they can be controlled Easily.

The Zealot core used "Religion" as a war tactic, "Assimilate them and they will work for you".

But they did not add them to their original cult of Abraham, but the echo version to keep the blame away from them.

Hence, the guy in the Video is an idiot and is going to mislead you all, further.

The main purpose of David Icke was to use all the Good symbols and them prove themselves Freemasons so they can eliminate all the Good symbols.

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I have said before that Christ consciousness is the dark creation of Gnostic Christianity created by Samuel Aun weor, who was a Jesuit.

And Jesuits have Jewish ancestry.

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The core of all evil will be decimated soon indeed.

Michelle York said...

Good on you Eric for posting this insightful Article. Druv is absolutely correct. That's why they are allowed to continue doing what they do..

Druv said...

The Freemasons are now trying to prove that God Shiva is their God.

Little do they realize that he is the most powerful and the angry kind of God. Any one who messes with his meditation and awakens him out of the flow of his awakening is instantly vaporized by his third eye.

There is no one more furious than God Shiva.

The stupid Jews/ Zionist never think that why do they have "Sitting Shiva" as a part of death in the family.

God Shiva is the God of the cremation ground and the God of death. He is the one who choses when some one lives or dies.

I have a little message from his most furious form (Kal Bhairava - The great merciless god of time ):

Tic - tok....Tic - tok....Tic- Tok

That is the sound of your time running out ~

All those who walk the path of Adharma will be instantly vaporized.

Anonymous said...

Take everything Chris says in the video with a grain of salt.
He explains the surface meaning of the symbolisms, but one of his videos on seeing aliens in an upside-down Alexaner the Great bust, well.....that's was really stretching it.

Ellen said...

You have done posts before critiquing (I think quite rightly) David Icke. I, too, think he's a fraud. There's Masonic imagery in his latest book (and others have questioned the source and intent--mainly an anti-Christian one--of his other books). But, I have wondered, Eric. Why, after your first critique of this guy months ago, have you continued to sometimes quote from his books on your site? I can understand if the reason is that it's for lack of anything else to put up. Constantly keeping a blog updated is no easy task... But now that you're exposing him again, will you stop quoting him, I wonder.

Ravi Pankhania said...

I think this is all a bit ridiculous. I listen to David Icke all the time. It doesn't occur to me to think of him as an illuminatist or not, I don't care! I think a lot of what he says makes sense. As a freethinking individual I allow myself the privilege to decide whether what he is saying makes sense or not. For example I find it a little hard to believe the world is run by reptiles, but then I also feel he is correct when he talks to people and asks them to stand together and get off their knees. He is quite inspirational in that way. The same goes for Alex Jones, he is a moron, but he does at least discuss a great deal of interesting things that i feel need to be explored further. Incidentally i also find great little tidbits on CNN and the BBC and FOX etc...
Some of the best information I have on the illuminati etc have come from Rockefeller's, the Bush family, Kissinger etc.... and they ARE illuminati for sure. I think this aspect of the anti NWO movement is a little too inflexible. When people present information they may have an agenda but it is still up to the individual to decide what to do with that information.
I think this is just creating more confusion, more division and actually takes away from the actual work at hand.
My feeling is that instead of trying so hard to debunk these people, we all need to look at ourselves and our actions and realize that we are all self motivated and we all have our own agendas in this world. We need to find commonality with one another and build on that. I think it would be more productive to actually invite David Icke to the table to dispel some of these things or at least invite him to explain his position a little better. In this way it invites debate and intelligence.
Incidentally I have a picture or two of myself making illuminati hand gestures.... at least half a dozen with the sun at my back and probably thirty or so showing my left eye only... am I Illuminati too?
It's getting a little bit ridiculous....

Eric Dubay said...

But, I have wondered, Eric. Why, after your first critique of this guy months ago, have you continued to sometimes quote from his books on your site?

Hey Ellen, the articles on AC.com that quote from Icke are articles taken from The Atlantean Conspiracy book which I published 4 years ago before I had any idea that Icke was controlled opposition. Plus 90% of what Icke says is spot-on and well-presented so there's no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater completely.

It doesn't occur to me to think of him as an illuminatist or not, I don't care!

You should care. There are wolves in sheep's clothing purposely infiltrating and leading the conspiracy movement in a direction that benefits the establishment while pretending to be anti-establishment. If someone is disingenuous and mixing truth with a bunch of bullshit like reptoids and hollow moon alien mind-beams, it discredits and distracts from genuine research and activism. We should most certainly care if Illuminists are usurping the anti-Illuminist movement.

I think it would be more productive to actually invite David Icke to the table to dispel some of these things or at least invite him to explain his position a little better.

Chris Constantine, myself, and others have repeatedly contacted Alex Jones and David Icke in the hopes of debating these points. Alex's producer Rob Dew told me he'd get back to me a couple years ago and never wrote back since. And Icke, even after repeated attempts to contact him has never gotten back to me. These people aren't interested in addressing the fact that they are controlled opposition because bringing attention to the issue and trying to go head-to-head with someone like myself in a debate on the issue would expose them for the frauds and shills that they are.

I think this is just creating more confusion, more division and actually takes away from the actual work at hand.

THEY are creating the confusion and division with their misinfo, those of us exposing them as undercover usurpers are trying to clear up the confusion and bring unity back to the movement. I'm not creating division by exposing controlled opposition leaders; They create the division by BEING controlled opposition leaders. Your "can't we all just get along" attitude is what allows them to lead the movement astray without being critically examined. You can't just allow wolves to hijack the herd because their wearing sheep's clothing and you like what they have to say. Again, these undercover usurpers are creating the division, not me. I'm attempting to bring unity back to the movement by outing the shills. Peace

Eric Dubay said...

Also back when they tried to co-opt me, one of the things they most wanted me to stop doing is exposing their controlled opposition leaders!

The Masons are Trying to Co-Opt Me

If we are going to work together and be "one" with ourselves, each other and the world, then we need to cut the crap as far as accusing one another of being enemies, "evil" or "shills".

Obviously they don't want people like me exposing and outing their well-placed insiders!

Who is Arran Edmonstone?

Anonymous said...

Alex Jones' advertisers are Jewish. Now, why would Zionists want to fund a website if it didnt benefit them in some way?

http://whitewraithe.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/alex-jones-conflict-of-interest/

Eric Dubay said...

Good points! His wife and top advertisers (Henri-James Tieleman of EcoloBlue, Damian Ross of The Self Defense Company, Steve Shenk of eFoods Direct, and Marty Schachter of CalBen Saop) are all Jews. That guy that tried to co-opt me was a Jewish royal as well. You can see in the Alex Jones vs. Prothink clip I posted how bent out of shape Alex gets when someone simply brings up the work of Jack Bernstein and Benjamin Freedman.

Anonymous said...

Is Alex Jones a Zionist Shill?

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?cat=349

Ali S said...

I HAVE TO SAY I have been to David Icke talks and also also have had one on one talk with him when I had a photoshoot with him (i photographed him) and this man in my mind and eyes is genuine. I don't feel or see him as pushing anything but for all of us stand up and see the world for what it is and unite as a race and take back our lives...how is that serving anyones evil agenda?!

Eric Dubay said...

Yeah, the 3 articles in that link sum it up quite nicely. Also if people haven't seen my articles on the issue, check out:

Alex Jones is an Inside Job 1

Alex Jones is an Inside Job 2

Alex Jones and Charlie Sheen Discrediting 9/11 Truth

Alex Jones' Reaction on 9/11

Eric Dubay said...

It's called controlled opposition Ali. Tell me why Rik Clay and Bill Cooper were murdered but Alex Jones and David Icke are going strong reaching millions more than Rik and Bill ever did? Why do you think I've been given multiple death threats and tried to be co-opted? They put their placemen in the spotlight and mix just enough truth with their misinfo to lead the herd astray.

Roski said...

I do have a question-
First I must aver, I don't doubt Icke and Jones are mouthpieces. Their favorite past time is fear mongering which keeps the vibrational levels low and oppressed.
However,
what I don't understand is why they would be so careless with their 'Illuminati' hand signals, photo-art, or paid sponsors when they are knowingly in the public eye. Why make all these symbols in pictures? No doubt their nefarious brethren are aware of their (I'm assuming) assigned task to mislead...so why do they allow themselves to be identified as such in print? I have wondered this for a while now and would appreciate anyone's thoughts, opinions, or comments on this:) Thanks

Anonymous said...

@ Roski,

Not every master controller would know about the tool puppets, Alex Jones or David Icke (at least not in their beginnings).

IF THERE WERE NO "SECRET" SIGNALS, one of the controllers is bound to off the controlle opposition--BECAUSE THEY HADN'T REALIZED YET that Jones or Icke are supposed to be controlled opposition, and then that woul disrupt the whole plan, wouldn't it?

Pretty simple, and logical.
You probably wouldnt know what all your family members from across the country or world are doing every minute? I guess that's where Twitter would come in handy...
:)

Baron Munse said...

Baron ponders..

Human mind is like microcosms, one that can be ruled by fear, as we evolved to be scared of things that go bump in the night. Many realize there is a big conspiracy in the world, but sometimes fail to realize it is this manifestation in their own microcosim as much as the world.


The baron enjoys Mr. Ikes work, did not enjoy the video so much, the part about green faces was just weird and boring. The baron is aware that suspension of disbelief is necessary to enjoy this entertainment, but is left concerned when people take it to seriously.

Maybe he does not fully get it.

Roski said...

@ Anonymous

Much obliged for the response:)

lol at the Twitter comment. Would make deciphering things a bit easier on our end if they would tweet:)

Brody said...

I agree that David Icke is controlled opposition but this is the last guy I would take any advice or information from. He posted a video claiming that the Sun and Moon were exactly the same size. Having studied Astronomy and Physics, I challenged him with some basic math and even asked him to explain why the Sun looks larger than Earth and the Moon from Mars (plenty of images of Martian sunset online). If the Sun and Moon were exactly the same size, the Sun would only appear as a small star from Mars, but it is large enough to look somewhat like it does from Earth. He blocked me before answering so I guess he couldn't figure it out. He posted another video about his favorite cheese, which was a mixture of goat and sheep milk, which he then proceeded to read scripture which he appeared to be condemning the mixing of evil goat's milk and holy sheep's milk. He goes out of his way to wine about some cheese before telling us that it is actually his favorite brand. He has some other videos where he basically vilifies Apollo for being the Sun god but then in the same breath, he is praising "Jesus," yet another Sun god.

Anonymous said...

Alex jones is probably a real fighter against TPTB but David Icks and his shaps shifting reptiles theory is not only stupid but it could be a strategy to drift investigations away from The real elites who rule over the world..

Anonymous said...

What can I say...

I don't trust David Icke but I
don't trust this guy too much either.

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Icke has a lot of very good points and a lot of very very silly points too, this guy on the other hand (Chris Constantine, I checked both his video, page and mentioned article) most of what he presents as "facts" are mainly "video-stillshots" paused at just the right moment and presentend as rock-hard evidence of his arguments, I dunno.

The comments made here about:
"follow the money" (commercial &
mediatic success) and "follow the
blood trail" (reserach those who were silenced) are both very good points.

As always, thanks for posting Eric!

Vic
Germany.

Anonymous said...

i'd like to know how you think david icke is so wrong and you are so right? david is basically telling the masses to come together with love in our hearts to help one another - that we are all one consciousness. what is so bad about that? how do you know he's wrong about the moon? have you been there yourself?

Eric Dubay said...

I agree that David Icke is controlled opposition but this is the last guy I would take any advice or information from. He posted a video claiming that the Sun and Moon were exactly the same size.

For the most part I don't agree with much of Gorilla199 and his Christian fundamentalist views, but he has done a lot of good work exposing David Icke. As for the Sun and Moon being the same size, I have also written about that:

Total Eclipse of the Mind

The Earth is Not Moving

I challenged him with some basic math and even asked him to explain why the Sun looks larger than Earth and the Moon from Mars (plenty of images of Martian sunset online). If the Sun and Moon were exactly the same size, the Sun would only appear as a small star from Mars, but it is large enough to look somewhat like it does from Earth.

How do you claim to know what the Earth and Moon look like from Mars? The only evidence you have of that claim is poorly photoshopped images from NASA. NASA is the biggest science-fiction producer on Earth and has never been to the Moon or Mars or even past the Van Allen belt:

Mars Faker

Moon Landing Hoax

david is basically telling the masses to come together with love in our hearts to help one another - that we are all one consciousness. what is so bad about that?

There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with 90% of what controlled opposition leaders say. It's the 10% that leaves out Jews in favor of reptoids and hollow-moon alien mind-beams that's the problem.

Anonymous said...

John Lennon comments on TPTB--over 30 years ago! And quotes from the book, The Art of War--on the strategy of: Leave One Door Open for your enemies:

http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2011/11/power-to-people-people-to-people.html

Baron Munse said...

"There's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with 90% of what controlled opposition leaders say. It's the 10% that leaves out Jews in favor of reptoids and hollow-moon alien mind-beams that's the problem."

Better then blaming large swaths of potentially innocent people. That is dangerous.

Group think is bad, individual think is good. The idea of people "coming together" into some kinda single minded herd is scary to me. I'd rather see 100 different people believing 100 different things, then 100 different people believing one thing. A) because that sounds boring, and B) because if anyone thought or acted differently at that level of group indoctrination, they are likely would be imprisoned or killed in some fashion. As i stated before "red hat" on "green hat day"

People like Icke tell a good story to get the creative juices flowing, it's a safer way to "wake up", then being pointed at some actual group that is the supposed "enemy".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-circuit_model_of_consciousness

If you're not familiar with the 8 circuit model, for all I know, you've posted on it Eric, I suggest you take a look. I think of the first circuit a lot when I hear groups turned into "enemies". This applies to "reptiles" "jew" and "bankers" because the generality negates their humanity, and makes them into a single minded mass, rather then the individual human beings they actually are, or reptiles as the case may be.

"Love your enemies" is the best way to reprogram the first circuit, IMO. This is because it subverts the fight or flight reaction. Anywho, Icke, and his ilk play on the first circuit a lot, weather or not they realize it, it has to do with "dangerous knowledge", hence the fight or flight responce. The quest for truth in some cases is a "fight" responce, ignoring is a "flight" responce.

Dunno if that will make sense.

Food for though, says the baron.

You keep writing, I'll keep reading.

Eric Dubay said...

Good points Baron, thanks for sharing that. You're right to be careful about pigeon-holing some group and getting into group-think, that could definitely be a pitfall. At the same token, however, aren't some groups worthy of condemnation? Pedophiles, rapists, and serial killers for example? What about psychopaths who have no experience of guilt, love, empathy or remorse? You cannot "love them back to normal." Any psychotherapist will tell you the only way to deal with a psychopath is NO contact ever again because it is impossible to reform a psychopath. They will only use your good intentions against you as they are incapable of feeling guilt, love, empathy, or remorse for their actions. As for the Jews, have you ever read the Talmud? The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book and takes precedence over the Torah. They are taught that they are the master race, that pedophilia is okay, that lying, cheating, stealing, and even murder is okay as long as it's to goyim (non-Jews). Here are some quotes:

Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.

Moed Kattan 17a . If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.

Non-Jews are Not Human Baba Mezia 114a-114b. Only Jews are human

Jews are Divine, Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.

O.K. to Cheat Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a Gentile ("Cuthean") the wages owed him for work.

Jews May Steal from Non-Jews, Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a Gentile ("heathen") it does not have to be returned. (Affirmed also in Baba Kamma 113b).

Jews May Rob and Kill Non-Jews, Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a Gentile ("Cuthean"), there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a Gentile he may keep.

Jews May Lie to Non-Jews, Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies ("subterfuges") to circumvent a Gentile.

Sanhedrin 55b . A Jew may marry a three year old girl (specifically, three years "and a day" old).

Sanhedrin 54b . A Jew may have sex with a child as long as the child is less than nine years old.

Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is of three years of age.

Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

Libbre David 37: "To communicate anything with a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this matter Baron. Thanks!

Baron Munse said...

Eric,

I think you have some good and dark stuff, and clearly they have a written dark history, I would wonder how many modern people of the jewish faith agree with that. I think every group has its dark past, and I'm sure you can find people in that group who identify with that stuff. But I think you can find those that don't which creates the danger I'm talking about.

You could make similar arguments about is lams(life of the prophet book), and we see radicles amongst them as well as moderates. I think we end up finding people that can be pushed over the edge by that kind of religious material, that may fall in to the range of psychopaths. I think you would find many jewish people who disagree with that, even though it's written. It is agreed to be very dark. I will admit you have some points about the contents of the text, but it does not convince me about the actual character of the majority of the people. Which I think creates the danger I'm taking about in people seeking to maintain a family tradition in a modern world, could be condemned for a text that they themselves do not support. That is why I point to the danger of indintifying with groups, rather then individuals. Identifying with "groups" is intellectual convenient for us. But only offers a distorted view.

I think conversations with some rabbis would be profitable in settling this. Of course the potential for misdirection is possible in such a conversation.

Many religions and nationalities go to great lengths to prove they are the best and can down on others, part of the success of any meme, is being Holier then thou.

For the next part which was the first, again it's making a group every individual is different, lumping the negates those individual circumstances. It makes them easy to hate, and I think taps in to our lower nature to do that. If individuals are cursed with those issues, it may not be something we can fix per say, but I would suggest although difficult we not condemn others for their nature, which you are asserting may be beyond their control. This is not to say mix them in, but treat them according to how their condition requires with the highest degree of humanity possible. It is a thing of pity, not hate, to me. I think even with the temptation to group them in this way, each individual would prove slightly different, enough to warrant sub catagories at the very least. It is not an easy question, but one of deep thought the baron would suggest.

Interested to hear your thoughts, I think we are trading on the flaws of modern languages at this point, and some of the hidden assumptions they contain.

Baron Munse said...

For further understanding the idea of jewish people carrying on family traditions should be understood like the american holiday of thanksgiving. It could be looked at that all americans are celebrating the beginning of a massive genocide. (disgusting treatment of turkeys aside, focusing on native populations) However if you looked at the individuals, you would find they don't see it that way. To them it's a yearly family gathering, and the other meaning is lost, they are not reaffirming the need for genocide by the holiday, even though that linage is there. It's just blind tradition. I would argue those text in the jewish tradition may hold a similar light, I'm not excluding the other possibility though.

Anonymous said...

It sounds like the Talmud is saying that Goyims are indeed human with their choice of words such as:

"if the Goyim 'knew'" so Goyims can think and reason with the idea that someone is trying to kill them, and so would take action because of this reasoning.

and "'murdering' Goyim is like killing a wild animal", where murder is reserved for people--which distinguishes them from animals. Why not just say "killing Goyims is like killing a wild animal".

Other than that, the Talmud is just pure sick & twisted to commit sexual perversion upon a child, and specifying a girl child--and her age, specifically "three years".

It really shows their twisted outlook and irrational reasoning that they can do anything they wish without regards or concern for any other person if they are not Jewish (but from accounts of Jews, there is discrimination amongst members too). Which means, if there is discrimination amongst them, they classify certain Jews to be "lesser" Jews.

THEN at what point is it OK to do these Talmudic teachings to the lesser Jews?

Ian Evans said...

Hmmm?

Eric Dubay said...

More great points Baron and Anonymous!

I think you would find many jewish people who disagree with that, even though it's written. It is agreed to be very dark. I will admit you have some points about the contents of the text, but it does not convince me about the actual character of the majority of the people. Which I think creates the danger I'm taking about in people seeking to maintain a family tradition in a modern world, could be condemned for a text that they themselves do not support.

Point taken and agreed, but seeing that the Talmud is the holiest of Jewish books, and is full of racist and wildly immoral mandates, would you not agree that if "they themselves do not support" such ideas, that they should not support this racist, immoral religion and should not call themselves Jews!?

That's like me supporting Charles Manson, I go to Manson fan-club meetings, I identify myself as a Mansonite, but when someone says, "hey, you know, he murdered a lot of people," I just say, "oh, I don't support THAT! I just identify myself with him and go to his fan-club meetings."

If Jews don't support the racist, immoral ideologies in their holy books, then they should not call themselves Jews. If they do support such ideologies, then the condemnation is warranted. They can't have it both ways, and I'd argue the ones who pretend they can are just lying to us stupid Goyim.

Baron Munse said...

"Point taken and agreed, but seeing that the Talmud is the holiest of Jewish books, and is full of racist and wildly immoral mandates, would you not agree that if "they themselves do not support" such ideas, that they should not support this racist, immoral religion and should not call themselves Jews!? "

I agree in a sense, but human beings have a way of being more ritualistic, and traditional as opposed to reasonable. I would love to see a world system that adopts reason rather then tradition, and ritual. But for a lot of people I think it boils down to their intellectual limitations. And pride. Both dangerous, if you blindly identify with any given herd, or group, rather then think as an individual. It leave the possibility for adversarial rival systems, and all the nastiness of human nature to pour out.

Don't mistake me as disagreeing, but in terms of progress, I don't think we have the leisure of pure reason to work with. We would have Utopia very quickly if that were true.

We have the option of being frustrated with the way things are, or working with it in some fashion to improve things.

If you're lucky enough to have a very reasonable mind, it may infer a responsibility towards those that do not, that is not adversarial in nature, more that of a guide and protector. Until such a time as all humans become reasonable, rather then ritualistic.

It is frustrating to see people destroy one another for their own stubburn lack of illumnation. I think stupidity transcends all groups, nationalities and religions, as does reason, and altruism.

Again these are simply opinions and interpritations.

Fascinating conversation Eric.

Eric Dubay said...

Indeed, I'm consistently impressed and in agreement with your astute analyses. Thanks for regularly sharing your enlightening views with us here!

Baron Munse said...

Thank you as well, you're good at reporting fascinating material. Happy to continue to join the discussions.

Anonymous said...

if you choose to follow anyone other than yourself then don't complain when what they give you isn't what you want.

Anonymous said...

Why would Alex Jones want to work with the (Zionist) John Birch Society?

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Alex-Jones-summary.html

Anonymous said...

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http://www.inminds.com/boycott-israel.php#companies

Anonymous said...

I know L'Oreal & Garnier products suck (and L'Oreal used to be a big tester of products on animals, but stopped due to pressure), but I didnt know their sordid ties:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJEqWeHJf0s

David said...

I don't think I've ever seen so many fallacies of logic packed into one 10-minute video in my life.

May, I add another?

Hitler liked to paint.
Hitler was a Nazi.
David Icke also likes to paint.
Therefore, David Icke is a Nazi!!!!

I really don't care if David Icke worships the egyptian trinity or the later hebrew one. I don't care if he performs rituals of Wicca or rituals of the catholic mass(not that different really). I don't care if he prays to greek gods like Apollo or Buddha. Krishna or Jesus, who cares man? I definitely don't care if his wife dances in the rain and prays to the earth or mother nature or even Gaia(oh no!) or whoever.. are you kidding me? Who is that hurting? and what does it have to do with anyone, but her? And so what if she is??? How can we even begin to solve any of the world's problems if this is how people's brains are working?

Anyway, what I do care about is if Mr. Icke is actively involved in bombing civilians through wars of aggression, taking away the freedom of fellow citizens and human beings, ruining lives with economic scams legalized through corruption, poisoning people with unnecessary pharmaceuticals just to make a profit, etc. Things like that. Ya dig?

David

Eric Dubay said...

You're right that he's not actively doing those things, but if David Icke is indeed controlled opposition, which it's clear to me that he is, that means he is working for the very people doing those things you mentioned.

David said...

Hi, Eric.

I don't know, man. I attended one of his shows in New Mexico a few years ago and met him briefly. I got the impression that he believes what he's saying.. and that his life is not an easy one. I mean for someone working for the "Illuminati trillionaires" it seems like he would be better compensated.

He's expressed financial issues because of court costs and people trying to sue him and what not.. It just doesn't seem right.. He's working for the Illuminati, but he's hurtin for money and getting paid pennies to speak at events? And he's devoting soooo much time and energy for something he doesn't believe? And facing so much ridicule?? Wow.

Anyway, I don't agree with a lot that David Icke says, but it's interesting stuff. And although I believe he slanders a lot of people and makes many baseless accusations based on hearsay.. He does try to point out government abuses and offer alternative news through his website.

As far as reptilians.. I don't doubt that there's all kinds of creatures and dimensions of existence. I do doubt that they're possessing the Queen of England during satantic rituals while sacrificing babies.. I could be wrong. As far as the hollow moon theory goes, I don't know. I doubt it. But if I'm open to your hollow earth theory and your stationary earth theory I suppose I should be open to the possibility of a hollow moon too.. Maybe all the planets are hollow with little people hidin' inside!, smile.

Peace,
David

Eric Dubay said...

I mean for someone working for the "Illuminati trillionaires" it seems like he would be better compensated.

He travels all over the world constantly giving 9-hour hypnotic lectures, does many radio and TV spots, somehow comes out with a book per year, and his gut just keeps expanding. He was a pro soccer goalie, then a BBC reporter, then head of the Green party, now a best-selling author and speaker "against" the establishment?? How much more establishment can you get than BBC? If I wanted to go on the Wogan show and say "I'm the son of the Godhead" wearing a purple tracksuit, they would never let me on! He was just on the History Channel and in the Thrive movie too, if he's such a danger to the establishment, why do they always let him on TV? Why has David had a golden baton leading him from professional sports, to mainstream media, to politics, to best-selling authordom? Isn't such high-level versatility usually only granted to Masons, Zionists, and other "chosen" ones?

He's expressed financial issues because of court costs and people trying to sue him and what not.. It just doesn't seem right.

Shill Alex Jones does yearly "money-bombs" bringing in over half a million dollars a day. Shill Charlie Veitch is constantly asking for donations. What are all these lawsuits that David needs this extra money for? They don't seem to have any problem quickly throwing Schaeffer Cox, Fritz Springmeier, or Irwin Schiff in jail on completely false, trumped-up charges. David is far more influential than those 3, so why isn't he or Alex Jones in jail for years on fake allegations?

But if I'm open to your hollow earth theory and your stationary earth theory I suppose I should be open to the possibility of a hollow moon too

I don't pretend to know either way about the hollow Moon or hollow Earth theories, but it's not the "hollow Moon" part that I find ridiculous, it's the "alien mind-control beams" and "shape-shifting reptilian" stuff that seems quite far-fetched and unproven. He never mentions or expresses any doubt or discontent with NASA's Moon or Mars landing hoaxes or the history of the Jews, but he'll go on for hours about aliens and reptilians? He doesn't say anything about the plethora of evidence that the entire Apollo/Viking programs were hoaxed on Earth, but he will use astronaut testimony and NASA photos to posit alien structures on the Moon!!?? He says nothing about the Jews but writes entire books about reptilians?? And even though he doesn't mention Jews, the establishment ADL writes helpful "hit-pieces" (promotionals) claiming he's anti-semetic, just like they do with Jones.

Do you agree that Alex Jones is controlled opposition or do you think he's genuine too?

David said...

Hi, Eric.

I admit that I don't truly understand the motivations behind the actions of David Icke or Alex Jones. I don't know them that well. I suspect that they're both intelligent, delusional,well-meaning, and a bit paranoid. Perhaps, we all are to some extent.

I believe that, when dealing with extremely powerful people, all opposition is controlled or sought to be once it reaches a certain point. This could be done in so many different ways:

Psy-ops. This could include everything from feeding you false intel to slipping you LSD and convincing you that you're a reptilian via hypnotherapy to vaguely threatening to kidnap and sell your children into slavery. Whatever suits your personality best, which would be very well-known beforehand, of course.

Money. I could offer you a lot while simultaneously threatening that all you have will be taken from you if you don't accept it.. I'd get my favors from you later. Too much integrity? I could arrange for someone to sue the sh#* out of you then offer to "help" with your legal bills. Or I could just buy off everyone around you! I could insert friends, business contacts, and even lovers into your life and arrange your life however I see fit. Etc.

Death. If someone wants you gone and they have enough money, power, and intelligence.. Bye bye.

Etc... we could go on and on.

So, do I believe that Alex Jones and David Icke are controlled opposition? Maybe.

If they're controlled I doubt they know about it. Why? Because it would be more effective that way. Better to just feed them fake intel, convince them it's real, and let them mix it in with their real facts, for example.

And though I'm no genius, I'm smart enough to recognize the relevant pieces of information they provide and ignore the rest. They don't do me any harm. But I imagine if someone is already mentally unstable, paranoid, or gullible, listening to Icke and Jones will only make them worse.

David

Ali S said...

Hello again..so reading the comments again it only goes further to confuse me.. so Eric u say that David (i'm not standing up for Alex Jones, he freaks me out) is controlled and that's why his going far and perhaps others u named were killed etc because they weren't and you urself been opted and threatened etc..well if these 'powerful' ppl got rid of those guys why not just shut you down as well? why keep u online etc why give u a voice? perhaps somethings are out of their hands and David and Alex's success has protected them ... and urself.. times have changed and ppl are just more aware and harder to get rid of..

Eric Dubay said...

Let's hope you're right Ali.

Anonymous said...

Alas, I think Eric Hufschmid may also be an disinfo agent--after I read his take on NATO that it was somehow innocent on taking down Libya--and this I just found:

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5580&p=21812

Anonymous said...

Nice work on David Icke I suspected but wasn't really sure. Alex Jones is another... I trusted my instincts and finally found ties to the Jesuit order. I have come to the same conclusions as many others have... that anyone still breathing putting out the amount and the kind of information that the two of them are, are there to serve a purpose. Fear is the best weapon for the less than 1 % Peace

Illuminati Agenda said...

Having read most of Ickes books and frequenting his forum regularly I really don't think is is an 'illuminati witch'. He has bad arthritis which may account for certain dodgy looking hand gestures, his ex wife is, well - 'ex' which suggests that he didn't agree with her views on things, of course his books are going to be full of symbolism - he's trying to expose it and make people aware of it, and surely the recent 3 or 4 UK mainstream media 'hit pieces' regurgitating the same old 'son of god' and 'lizard queen' tripe suggest he's not controlled opposition. His message is fundamentally a positive one...

Anonymous said...

Hi, I recently been approached by the alluminati. They shook hands with me and tried to make me join. The hands shakes can be quite terrible. Subjected to them They want me to join them. You are might be right about David. I recently when into the matrix and took a look around. The handshake let you into the void for a day or two, the chemical from these hand shakes can be send anybody whom is not strong totally mad. I even found myself wanting to pass this information on as a some kind of profit to my friends. In that time I met David in the matrix and his other people that can access it. They are very powerful and they correct about of things. They understand that this world has been badly designed people whom create, like myself because Im no-one... The Alluminati are ever growing through the new youth, the new smarts. The Alluminati can hold you quiet and they can control you... I know a lot more members from this experience & They really only wanted to help me but I can't join a cult! I would join the Matrix and am very welcome to visit should this world carryon failing me and everyone I know. I have collected enough information, from this experience to get out alive. They like me but put a stop to it all. I don't think I can but Im safe from it all. What davids doing is evil because he is creating the a loop in the Matrix, so the Lizard stay alive. They don't exist in this dimension yet but seeds have been planted to make us bring them back. I have been thinking of a way to put a stop to all this frightening business. The power should not be given to the lizards and the doctor who does there work and from their dimension control because they don't talk we can't hear them so we don't know what they're capable of or whom they are! in this world & they are in control at the top making us all really unhappy but they have been for years, thats the truth friend. Magie Thatcher was the initial seed distributor, same fear is built into us from the end of the Sixties and it got some great people killed. If I was to name anyone I would be killed too. As it is my friend, they have been very good to me. Im telling you all this just to warn you... Don't draw attention because your doing everything David is doing on Making people think that theres anything in this Lizard rubbish, you not helping at all and best way to help is to burn all this an mock it... take the piss because that's how I survive and still and I am lucky to be sane. Do not publish this message from me the loop would get bigger... My Name is Daniel Astro Day Im only trying to help... The handshake made me feel like a god and I have learned a lot enough to maybe save the world if need be. Im working on it... thank you..

Anonymous said...

Well, My Names dimart and I am an Easter bunny from neptune.. I like david because he invented the chocolate shake the one we all love So very much today... Hes very good at making things exist like Santa Clause or The mighty Boosh... They all came about because of his oh almighty teachings and helping rewrite history for a bunch of fairy following Slaves and Quantum Wooly Jumpers... He has a Mouth that suck eggs as far as proof is concerned... WAKE UP YOUR ALL ROUND THE TWIST! ( Someone Give Me Strength!)

TheFig said...

People (personified idea), you MUST come out of the Don Quixote mode, and STOP "fighting" the enemy on the "outside".

Ignorance is the transgression that kills, and the POINT for our physical existence is TO OVERCOME DEATH (by said ignorance). NO ONE one the "outside" will supersede your ignorance with wisdom (lit. White Field; error-FREE virgin-realm) for you!